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Only the US has the moral right to decide where and when the next military conflict takes place. Look at all the ex pentagon shills with links to the ‘military industrial complex’ and working for mainstream media advocating and salivating as they push for US military involvement in the Ukraine.
Over one million dead Iraqis and for what. Saddam had no proven link to Al Quaida. No weapons of mass destruction. It was all a lie.
This tragedy for Ukraine could have been avoided. It’s what happens when you refuse to negotiate. NATO was a response to the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union collapsed so why expand NATO with membership for former Soviet republics and have them bristling with US made sophisticated weapons. Surely not because there is lots of money to be made.
How would the US like it if there was Russian made weapons in Cuba and talk of Mexico joining a Russian led treaty.
For those politicians and shills wanting Western world involvement in Ukraine, send your university educated social justice warrior children and grandchildren to the frontlines. Assisted by social engineers. Bullets are inclusive and non discriminatory.
Enough good men on both sides of the conflict have died. Ukranians as a whole have shown the world their bravery but I also don’t delight in the gruesome deaths of conscripted Russian teenagers blown up in their tanks by US made stinger missiles.
All efforts now should be towards protecting innocent Ukrainian civilians by diplomacy and not arming Ukraine. Even if the price is guaranteeing a neutral Ukraine by following the Swiss model. But let me guess never going to happen as there is too much money to be made for the disgusting merchants of death.
You are simply repeating the lies of Putin.
There is not a single truthful argument in your absurd pamphlet.
While I have sympathy for a 80 year old half- illiterate granny sitting in a wooden shed in Siberia listening to state controlled radio believing russian propaganda, doing the same in the West with all the information in front of your eyes is simply pathetic.
1) Putin started the war while he pretended to negotiate. You claim the need of "diplomacy" and the "refusal" to negotiate by the West. What a cynical idea. Years, months and literally days before the invasion the head of states of European countries visitited Moscow and begged Putin not to attack, only to be lied in the face. Putin promised to Macron and Scholz to retreat his troops, only to attack the next day. It was Putin that over years refused to engage in talks with the Ukraine government, to this day. To accuse the West of not willing to negotiate is imbecile. Additionally, even if you would achieve the miracle and appease Russia, what is the value of any contract with Putin? You obviously have no clue about the existing contracts and treaties, painfully negotiated over years and of course broken by Putin. I suggest you research keywords like the Minsk treaty, the Normandy talk format and the treaty of the return of nuclear weapons to Russia by Ukraine in combination with the acknowledgement of independence signed by Russia in 1994.
2) The NATO expansion was 2004, so almost 20 years ago. Putin himself acknowledged back then that there is no threat originating from these countries. It is a fabricated and absurd idea that a country like tiny Estonia or impoverished Romania would pose a security risk for the biggest country in the world ( twice as big as China or the US). There are normally no US troops and never offensive US weapons in any East European country (but russian nuclear missiles in Kaliningrad only a few hundred km from Warsaw or Berlin ). You have no clue what you are talking about.
3) The secret power of the "military complex" is the mother of all conspiracy theories, made already responsible for the assassination of JFK etc. It is a completely fabricated and absurd notion to see this conflict as an opportunity to make money in the West. This confluct will cost billions. The idea of a secretely controlled West by the weapon industry is so absurd, so idiotic, so obviously fabricated, it beggars belief. The West has zero interest in this conflict. There is not a shred of evidence for that nonsense, all concerned parties in the West tried over years and years to appease Russia, there was no confrontation, no aggression, nothing.
4) There is no eastwards expansion of the NATO since 20 years, but indeed a westward expansion of Russia. You are blind to the facts.
Also to label a membership in a defensive organisation as "expansion" is a deliberate attempt to frame a threat. There is and never was and never will be a military threat to any non-member in the history of NATO. It is an organisation that only reacts if attacked.
5) The comparison of a NATO membership of Ukraine ( which had slim chances of success anyway) to the historic Cuban-Russian military union is ridiculous. As you may recall, Russia decided to secretely base nuclear missiles that could reach the US in Cuba.This dramatically shortened the distance of russian missiles over night. No East European country has US missiles, and even if they would have, which to be very clear they don't, it would shorten the distance by about 500 km or a few seconds of flight time. You have obviously no clue about the geographical circumstances, nor about the military purpose and character of NATO. And by the way, there are indeed russian weapons in Cuba, and not only there.
6) Yes, in hindsight the Iraq war was a mistake and many innocent people died. But to claim Hussein was not a threat would be proposterous. He attacked over decades his neighbours, refused UN weapon controls and repeatedly and illegaly used weapon of mass destructions as in chemical weapons against civilians. There is no comparison to peaceful Ukraine and Iraq whatsoever. Additionally, the whole idea to associate Iraq with Ukraine is illogical. Even assumed the US Iraq war was completely wrong, it would not justify an attack on Ukraine anyway, it is a futile and dead-end "argument".
7) You claim to admire the Ukranian army for their bravery in their fight, but at the same time you don't want them to be armed. You must see the absurdity here. This is just silly.
8) You claim that the Ukraine should now become Switzerland. May I ask you, what membership in what military organisation does or did Ukraine have? The Ukraine is in fact neutral to this day, and always was. The idea to convince them to become neutral is hence moronic. The Ukraine was neutral in 2014, when Putin invaded the first time and seized the Krim. the Ukraine was neutral today when Putin invaded again. You are again blind to the facts. Putin himself did not even ask for Ukraine neutrality, for the above obvious reasons, he wanted a reversal of all the East European membership countries, which of course is an unfulfillable demand. Additionally, Switzerland might be neutral, a relatively safe state when you are surrounded by Western European countries by the way, but it is certainly not unarmed. Putin however demands a demilitarisation of the Ukraine. That is like the Cribs asking the LAPD to give up their weapons. Or in other words the West would have to simply trust Russia, which is obviously never going to happen again. Nobody with half a brain will ever trust Putin's word, and he obviously must know that the invasion will indeed achieve the opposite, The attack will of course result in massive military investments in the West. So if you really must believe in a sectret military complex that wants to profit from arm sales, I suggest you turn your eyes eastwards.