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Old 2nd Feb 2021, 11:55
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Originally Posted by PEI_3721

Copy of Bernhard Ziegler's paper linked below; this is a very thoughtful and far reaching note, which provides the background and much more. Sorry you need to read the pages in reverse, last page first, so concentrate !
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8uzkoc47lmgeo4w/

Bernard Ziegler - much maligned at the time, but time writes history.

Also, many other contributions; including John Wilson (copilot on Comet first flight), with the Advanced Flight Deck simulator (ended up in the Smithsonian in DC).
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dte4j6oade...09410.pdf?dl=0

Some of the gems from Ziegler:-
"… very careful not to use guidelines which are too broad and subject to too many interpretations, like: 'The man shall be kept in the loop', which is obvious but of no practical use, which is too specific or may prove to be harmful constraints with the evolution of man and machine (at least of his evolution of his culture and habits)."

"Crews got use to automation much faster, but designers moved forward even faster. A lesson in modesty in front of the immense inventiveness of the human being, and the army experts in human science who are now descending on our community, and should well meditate on this lesson. … as Socrates said, the only thing we know is that we know nothing." - and then the last pages on "Protections …… ", human reasoning, culture, human machine interface, task, free flight;
… … are you listening Boeing, FAA.
Page 10 is worth the read of Ziegler's paper, particularly for those who were dismissive of the complexity of the task confronting the ET and Lion drivers. (I have the paper formatted in order if you want... it is a worthwhile read from the beginning.

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