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Old 10th Dec 2019, 15:18
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markkal
 
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This new "Uprt Loc Advanced" course now mandatory raises a considerable amount of confusion, at least the "On Aircraft " part.


"Advanced" refers to pitch and bank "Greater" 25 degrees pitch up, 10 pitch down and 45 AoB, (25/10/45) .

How much "Greater" ? that is the whole question...Up to the edges of the flight envelope of the aircraft ? With what margins ? What about botched up maneuvers leading to unknown territory both for instructor and trainee ?



A reputable ATO I know is starting in january 2020 such "Advanced" training with a Diamond DA20 and ATPL instructor,( they will limit training to 25/10/45 plus nose up nose down recoveries)

Other ATO's are training with aerobatic aircrafts and aerobatic qualified instructors, stating to extended envelopes without further specifications

ATO's like CAE are sending their students to the US or in the Netherlands ( APS, the leader in the field) who only offers full flight envelope training including falling leaf, and developped spins.

Where is uniformity ? and what about possible litigation issues in our sue happy society in case of accidents ?

This whole saga has been going on for more than 10 years involving EASA, ICAO, ICATEE and the outcome frankly could have been more relevant, less open to interpretation with more solid foundations in terms of decisions from the proposed legislation.

Last edited by markkal; 10th Dec 2019 at 15:34.
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