Originally Posted by
Council Van
I don't know if it is mentioned by any one else but line training is normally 4 sectors with a safety pilot, after that it's just you and the training Captain with an aircraft full of passengers who are paying to fly somewhere. Part of their ticket price SHOULD be paying your salary. The company are operating that flight to provide a service and make a profit, it is not like your previous training where the flight was operated entirely for your benefit.
Council Van Is entirely right in saying you as a junior FO are earning your crust in the RHS with a training Captain; you are entitled to be paid a salary.
The Regulators need to introduce the banning of (blatant) P2F schemes. The beancounters needs to be involved to ensure that new anti avoidance legislation is being complied with.
Appropriate penalties for organisations / airlines “at it”.
Like tax planning schemes requiring approval by HMRC (UK), any payments made by pilots to airlines for training need to be approved by the Regulator. Paying a sensible amount up front for the type rating ~YES. Reasonable salary reduction where the company pays for the type rating ~YES.
BUT ideally an old style bonding scheme for type & line training.
Once line training commences, a salary with no P2F impact is only fair and equitable.
The number of sectors, with a covering FO (safety pilot) does vary with airlines. 4 sectors may well be the minimum number required.
Emirates (for new fATPL students) required sixty sectors with a safety pilot, with a minimum of 120 sectors prior to the line check or did so until a few years ago.