Originally Posted by
weemonkey 
No, just show us the evidence.
Please define what you mean by "evidence."
Originally Posted by
737 Driver
Please define what you mean by "evidence."
BTW, does that definition also apply to all the other players in the chain of causation, or just the aircrew?
At this point (for either accident) "evidence" in a formal sense is not available to the general public.
What is available are a precious few facts and (sometimes strongly held) opinions and theories based on individuals backgrounds.
While some (my self included) may disagree with 737 drivers analysis on some points he has presented detailed explanations and insight that clearly provide an experienced pilots view of things.
In that context it would be equally (not) usefull to say "show me the evidence it was -not- primarily pilot error".
If you have not read his longer posts they are well worth reading, even if you do not end up agreeing with all the points.
