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Old 30th Apr 2019, 16:18
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KT1988
 
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@SpGo: The captain is not having a shareholding company, he have single self employment company as is legal in Poland and can use his money as he pleases. The only expenses he need to document with an invoice are those he wish to get a refund of value added tax and get them deducted from the taxable income. It is a single person company not an SA or sp. zoo. and a single person company can of course invest like buying and renting aircraft or anything else it might wish to do.

@2unlimited: First of all I will give you exact numbers for insurances when I will get them when I will starting the job. As for know I know approximate numbers and they are much lower than the tax. And its even logical since tax have to be spent to pay for state administration, political expenses, buying votes, building fancy toilets you name it.... while insurance just need to cover what it insure and a reasonable profit to the insurance company.

As for a comparison between nations as I told you before everything Norway got is cause of luck and help from other states. Before World War 2 Norway was the poorest state in Europe even poorer than Poland (check the statistics in wikipedia or anywhere else) and were not industrializing like Sweden or Denmark (with exceptions like Hydro). During the war they were lucky that the national socialists did not feel like burning more to the ground than only Finnmark while they for example razed whole Poland. Then Norway was lucky to get Marshall help from USA, who could give this help because they had a different non socialist system and actually an economy that made it possible, instead of getting liberated by the Soviet Union and getting forced into socialism/communism (the Soviets were already in Finnmark so its a miracle they did not decide to "liberate" the whole nation). And in the end Norway found oil extreme amounts of it taken into account the Norwegian population. Yet you believe its not pure luck..... like winning in eurojackpot.

As for the salary comparison we are not comparing average salaries for everyone in the country, its Norwegian choice that they decide to pay like 50 000 Euro salaries per year for entry level jobs requiring no special education its part of what makes everything so expensive. Here we are comparing the situation for pilots who get paid well all over the world and do not need to work in Norway to be paid well just like engineers, IT programmers etc. Its about pilots and not factory workers here.....

For pilots the situation is as I said a SAS captain receiving 105 000 Euro (or more give the proper number if you think you know it) in Norway will pay like 36 % tax from half of it and he will pay 47 % tax from the rest of it. If he gets sick he will only get 16 days 100 % from the airline and then just up to 6G basic pay from the state so he will get just 50 % sick pay while paying the enormous tax. And if he is so unlucky to totally lose his medical then if he wants anything to be paid by the state he must accept whatever the state thinks he should do. They can send him to get CE license and drive a truck, but just as well they can send him to carpenter school or plumber school or whatever they see fit and they are the ones to choose. If the captain decline he get nothing.... With insurance he get a big sum of money in case of loss of license and can choose what he feels like doing next in the unlucky event.

So a Ryan Air captain getting almost 100 000 Euro including bonuses with a base in Poland will live like a king compared to the SAS captain in Norway even if the SAS captain earn 130 000 Euro with bonuses in Norway. And the captain living in Poland will not have the factory workers point at him as someone bad for having a "million lønning" and will not read in the papers that he deserve to be taxed to death with tax cause he dare to earn more than a factory worker. In Poland success is cheered upon and not envied by the society if you want to talk about other qualities of living. Also the state in Poland do not wish to control your private life like the state in Norway and put særavgift (special tax) on everything the state thinks you should not be doing.

As for LOT and Ryan Air Sun and Enter Air and also probably Sprint Air (I do not know what Wizz Air does with the Switzerland stuff) they are actually helping their pilots get the same polish deal as any doctor or plumber or carpenter etc. gets in Poland (while working for single private company) and to be able to keep more of their salary. Why should the airlines wish for their pilots to have worse terms than other people working in Poland? And why should pilots have to pay more tax than other professions?

PS. I do not know the Ryan Air Sun deal but LOT gives you a deal with guaranteed hours per month like 45 hours salary. And it is for companies also so you get paid during the winter, and if you fly for Ryan Air Sun and they let you fly 700-800 or even 900 hours per year as some people say. Then you get your salary just more in the summer and less in the winter but over all a Captain with all bonuses will get his about 100 000 Euro per year. And its really no matter when during the year (in Ryan Air) you get it...... unless you believe everyone is so irresponsible to spend everything he gets at once and never save money....

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