Originally Posted by
Water pilot
There is evidence from the voice recorder (of the second accident) that the co-pilot was unable to move the stabilizer.
...still not clear that was the case as meleagertoo alluded to earlier, but even if so this is with the other pilot hauling back on the yoke with airspeed well above Vmo. Not exactly within the realm of normal certified operation.
Anyone else here have an instructor that would demand you "let go of the controls" when it was obvious you were using the elevator instead of trimming out to maintain a flightpath?