Originally Posted by
PashaF
Hm.. I guess that might be the difference between the fatal and previous flights. Pilots alone can't (practically not literally) execute stab trim cutout when the nose down trim is significant, they have to level up plane fist; and then, 5 sec window of opportunity is given until auto trim activates again. Contrary to that, with free pair of hands in cockpit your scenario is quite imaginable.
Four reasonably similar accidents, what is common?
AF447. Schiphol, Asiana SFO, possibly Lion Air.
All started with (qualified) flightcrew losing SA, and not being prepared (without judgment) for an increasingly critical flight path. A stable flight condition started to go sour, and imo, crew could not keep up. Unacceptable.
Something is missing from the flight path formula. (Or included, depending on POV?).
All developed when the breakdown from boring (familiar) airframe performance became rapidly terrifying. Name one accident where crew started with a prepared mental folder ready to cope.
I don’t think it is lack of training. We have become complacent with aircrew not understanding the airframe?
Training involves repeating what is known. It is lack of basic knowledge of the aircraft that created these tragedies, and in Lionair, the knowledge was withheld.
Without (moral) judgment...