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Old 15th Oct 2018, 06:07
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sudden twang
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: s england
Posts: 182
Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
Buter. I think a good number feel as though they are not represented by the union and therefore left or decided not to join. Itís not easy, how does a union represent any pilot on the extreme ends of the seniority scale? The union represents its members and I can only feel the demographic of that membership is to the higher end of the seniority list. I could well be very wrong but itís how it sounds out there. The junior guys also have themselves to blame because they donít have a voice or chose to leave. A union that reached out to them and acknowledge their demographic may find a receptive bunch who are happy to support the union. They just need to see that the union actually is wanting to work for them too.

i believe we will soon have SH captains on perhaps PP 2 or 3. Thatís 83k. Jet2 is now 106k basic, RYR 109k basic and EZY DEC 105k basic. Thatís how far we have fallen behind. RPI plus a few % is maybe ok for some but not across the board. A320 captains basic pay starts at 78k and goes up to 148k. How can we continue to pay two pilots doing the same job such vastly different salaries. I have always found it odd that BA showers you with cash once your kids have left home and you have paid your mortgage. It makes no sense in the modern world. The pay needs a huge shake up and when I say that I donít mean letís cut the pay of the guys at the top.

Hi Bex,
i don't mean to sound harsh but I canít let that go.
You ask how BA can pay different salaries for the same job. You say shake up, but not to cut the pay of guys at the top.
You infer your union doesnít represent some ( you?) but with impossible requirements like that, is there any wonder?
I donít mean to be disrespectful but this forum is to help those looking for jobs. Your views are heartfelt and honest but need to be taken in context to give balance.
For those who havenít read through all 263 pages here Bex if I remember previous postings correctly joined BA with the bmi takeover so didnít apply to BA but through no fault of his own ended up here. . He is a junior SH capt. Heís made no secret of not being happy in BA. That in itself is good evidence as to whether BA is a good place to be or not. Bex has also made no secret of looking for other jobs but as far as I can n tell heís still with BA. Thatís good evidence too.
The low pay for junior A320 capts is a quirk but we have high pay for senior P2s. BA has historically worked on a longevity pay system. Whatever the pros and cons itís what we have. Changing it will be v complex and will probably blow BA BALPA apart.
I donít see how BA can be expected to ďshake upĒ and level the pay without reducing the higher payscales for both P1 and P2. P1 SH would go senior and P2 LH would go junior. It would only be fair for senior P2s to have a bid for P1 SH but what do they do when all slots are filled? Should more junior P1s be forced into the RHS ? What other option would be fair? Ironically Bex wouldnít see his bumper pay rise, just a type and seat change. BA would expect that to be nil cost so take the conversion course costs out of the pay budget. Oh and hold recruitment we will have so many internal moves and command courses the training system canít cope.
And that hopefully brings it back onto recruitment.
One thing often overlooked is that a PP15 P2 when taking a command becomes a PP15 capt. In many airlines you drop to PP1 capt.

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