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Old 14th Oct 2018, 14:18
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sonicbum
 
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Originally Posted by BluSdUp
You are spot on.
The non flying hand belongs on the TL ( minus V1 to ca 400 feet on T/o) for tactile feedback.
Very important on the 738 when trying to slow down on a tailwind approach and or a steeper then 3` glide when heavy.
Now for the Asiana:
First Q:
" How many pilots does it take to trash an aircraft?"
A
"Usually 3, One being an instructor and or super senior"

I am on my first zigar and second coffee , so not quite awake this balmy Sunday morning, so my numbers might be wrong from memory:
The Captain Candidate had 8000 hrs and ALL on A320 and they were sitting him direct into the LH seat to command a 777. He had less then 3000hrs command.
That is pure madness from the Company and the local CAA, me thinks.
THE direct cause of the accident.
As mentioned before if THIS was a challenging approach , what about the one Murphy had lined up the first week after line release , on that dark and stormy night , with the toilet on fire!
A systemic fail from the company with at least two marginal crew with that a lack of self preservation.
Blame Boeing!
Why not, they should not have sold it to them in the first place?

Regards
Cpt B
Sorry but, in my opinion, this is total nonsense. The root cause of this specific accident was mainly a lack of understanding of AFDS modes and selections from the PF associated to an incorrect GS from above capture procedure and marginal adherence to company SOPs, very poor PM duties from the instructor and poor assertiveness from the 3rd pilot. PIC time on the A320 is completely irrelevant. When a trainee undergoes a new type rating he/she must work hard to clear his mind of whatever procedure he was doing on the previous type and put maximum effort in system knowledge and operations of the new type, with the advantage like in this specific instance that the trainee is within the same operator so he/she can only focus on the technical aspect of the training.
The instructor on the other hand must be extra vigilant and add to his normal PM duties the instructional inputs. This requires ability and capability to be done to very high standards simultaneously and takes time to develop for every single instructor keeping in mind that PM duties and, more than ever, Capt responsibilities will always have the priority over everything else, in other words You don't end up upside down because You are trying to let the trainee understand.
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