Old Boeing Driver I hate to go off-topic but I have an operational question for you. I see you are GV typed and there is something I want to know. When I was doing my GII training they asked me to calculate VREF. Well, the card had GII & GIIB on it. (As you know a GIIB is a GII with a GIII wing.) The GIIB was almost 10 knots slower VREF because of the large wing. I was shocked. 10 knots slower is so much safer landing. So my question is does a GV have a lot slower VREF than a GIV because of the large wing? Assume you are landing both planes with no passengers and an hour of fuel on board. GV's have always been out of my budget so I've never really studied them. Thank you.