Avionimc, thanks but my budget is £70k. McDoo, I'll have a look at them, I know the heli world inside out but this is all new to me. I also seen a Socata TB20 but take your point about the landing gear. Does it add much more to the annual and service costs for retractable gear. I do realise it will add but just wondered how much. Appreciate both of your comments and help.