Ryanair Cancelling flights!
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Rather than run away ALL Ryanair pilots at ALL bases should immediately and individually join the Irish Airline Pilots Association via the internet:
IALPA had a recruitment campaign some years ago. The rates were attractive for both ranks. Even at only 40% take-up they should have collected substantial funds. What did RYR pilots achieve in return for those contributions? If ' not a lot', that we've heard of anyway, why should pilots expect anything different with another attempt? Or is that perception misplaced?
IALPA had a recruitment campaign some years ago. The rates were attractive for both ranks. Even at only 40% take-up they should have collected substantial funds. What did RYR pilots achieve in return for those contributions? If ' not a lot', that we've heard of anyway, why should pilots expect anything different with another attempt? Or is that perception misplaced?
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Well, if Alitalia breaks there will be 10.000 unemployed pilots right there. (I don't know the real number of pilots employed, but it is many). They will all be screaming for a job, and as many cannot get jobs with other airlines, MOL will be able to set the conditions as he likes.
To all current FR pilots: kick the
while he's down. Such an epiphany won't come around again.
Pilots on Ryanair contracts have a legal right to organize and obtain trade union representation to the airline. Pilots on atypical contracts, such as Norwegian, have no such right. Rather than run away ALL Ryanair pilots at ALL bases should immediately and individually join the Irish Airline Pilots Association via the internet:
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Are Ryanair pilots still working under 'Self Employed' contracts?
If so then I don't see how any collective union action can be done without them becoming employees and IR35 caught. Ditto if they are told to change their holidays and then do as they are told.
They may need to be careful that any action taken now does not have a knock on effect later by the taxman.
If they are to be seen as self employed then they should forget any union action and the only way forward I can see, which won't jeopardise their tax situation, is to just refuse to come in to work.
If so then I don't see how any collective union action can be done without them becoming employees and IR35 caught. Ditto if they are told to change their holidays and then do as they are told.
They may need to be careful that any action taken now does not have a knock on effect later by the taxman.
If they are to be seen as self employed then they should forget any union action and the only way forward I can see, which won't jeopardise their tax situation, is to just refuse to come in to work.
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The objective isn't to give MOL a kicking, it's to get basic civilised treatment as would be taken for granted in any other professional situation. That even at this point the company response is to dish out verbal abuse doesn't bode well. The 18 hr week nonsense is hardly difficult to fact-check
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Ryanair pilot call with Nick Ferrari on LBC this morning.
I've been retired (not from Ryanair) for some time and I had no idea that things had got so bad. Zero hours contracts, hourly rate, not paid for delays, pay for your own hotel and charge it off against tax on your own company ?
I think MOL has overcooked his goose. It could even be the end of Ryanair, in its present form at least.
I think MOL has overcooked his goose. It could even be the end of Ryanair, in its present form at least.
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The aviation press are woefully ignorant about the difference between 18 FLYING hours and the hours on Standby, travel, simulator etc etc - how is Joe Public ever going to discern the difference?
Having listened to MOL spouting, I reckon I'd be in the queue to leave if I was unfortunate enough to work for him.
I once worked for a boss such as he . . . and left. Oh the freedom (from oppression).
Good luck to the crews . . .
Having listened to MOL spouting, I reckon I'd be in the queue to leave if I was unfortunate enough to work for him.
I once worked for a boss such as he . . . and left. Oh the freedom (from oppression).
Good luck to the crews . . .
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I hope this backfires on O'Leary. 18 hours a week is pure spin.
Couple of summers ago I met a brand new FR F/O at EMA he was sleeping in his car for a week. Terrible way to treat Staff
Couple of summers ago I met a brand new FR F/O at EMA he was sleeping in his car for a week. Terrible way to treat Staff
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Roster is out!!
Oh Dear
What a week!
Only reading , not posting for the last little while.
I figure there is at least 500 pilots working on the CV and resignation as we speak.
A dear friend of mine just rejoined the local Union after todays roster arrived.
More or less out of hrs if flying two more days.
Put on 4 days sby on his days off.
Yeeehhaa.
Time to leave.
Or time to deal?
Who knows.
Good luck to all.
United We Stand.
What a week!
Only reading , not posting for the last little while.
I figure there is at least 500 pilots working on the CV and resignation as we speak.
A dear friend of mine just rejoined the local Union after todays roster arrived.
More or less out of hrs if flying two more days.
Put on 4 days sby on his days off.
Yeeehhaa.
Time to leave.
Or time to deal?
Who knows.
Good luck to all.
United We Stand.
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Prophead. The taxman already knows about the pikey arrangement re zero hour sub contracting, the sooner each pilot is made a proper employee the better for all. Trust me.
Get some proper representation everybody and go one country at a time and get this sorted. Stick together and don't be afraid, you are needed and the public are fickle, once bookings start to turn downward the floodgates will open fairly rapidly. A lot of people will be finalising their Christmas and mid term 18' plans...
Get some proper representation everybody and go one country at a time and get this sorted. Stick together and don't be afraid, you are needed and the public are fickle, once bookings start to turn downward the floodgates will open fairly rapidly. A lot of people will be finalising their Christmas and mid term 18' plans...
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I am an Irish journalist working for the national broadcaster, RTÉ.
I would like to speak, in confidence and off record, to any current or former Ryan Air pilots on this forum.
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I would like to speak, in confidence and off record, to any current or former Ryan Air pilots on this forum.
Please don't post here if you want to speak to me.
You can mail me - [email protected]
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I never understood the obsession with "unauthorized leave" for contractors or if a large part of your pay is based on work done, sample sector pay. As long as you eventually fly close to your maximum allowed hours an airline should just build in buffers to take account for the weakness of human physiology.
I suspect it is an unwillingness to see the difference between different groups of employees; If one can come in and sit behind a desk with the flue, another can fly a plane even if under the weather. If one goup of employees are prone to goofing off, another with more responsible jobs and backgrounds are likely to do the same given halve the chance.
I suspect it is an unwillingness to see the difference between different groups of employees; If one can come in and sit behind a desk with the flue, another can fly a plane even if under the weather. If one goup of employees are prone to goofing off, another with more responsible jobs and backgrounds are likely to do the same given halve the chance.
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Anyone know what is the situation now regarding the strike or any other actions?
The rosters been out today so probably it's just a big mess of rumors at the moment. Ranting about O'Leary in here doesn't really help anyone, but giving guys reliable information about the current situation maybe does.
The rosters been out today so probably it's just a big mess of rumors at the moment. Ranting about O'Leary in here doesn't really help anyone, but giving guys reliable information about the current situation maybe does.
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This is Ryanair, and these are Ryanair pilots - do you really expect strikes or any other actions?
The workforce will continue to bend over out of fear, and the story will be buried in days.
The workforce will continue to bend over out of fear, and the story will be buried in days.
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Worst pilot enemy is pilot
Sorry to say,but nobody forced any single pilot to work for such terrible conditions.
Not accepting those kind of modern aviation slavery since the beginning would have fixed the problem at least ten years ago......we live in a free continent and we are free highly skilled and qualified individuals that should stand unite in front of such arrogant and disrespectful attitude from some management.
Said that I would like to send all my moral support to FR pilots and cabin crew,hope they will stand still having the opportunity to radically change the game all over Europe.
Not accepting those kind of modern aviation slavery since the beginning would have fixed the problem at least ten years ago......we live in a free continent and we are free highly skilled and qualified individuals that should stand unite in front of such arrogant and disrespectful attitude from some management.
Said that I would like to send all my moral support to FR pilots and cabin crew,hope they will stand still having the opportunity to radically change the game all over Europe.
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In a Belgian newspaper I just read that O Lairy wants to hire 125 additional pilots and that the pilot salary might be raised on some bases, like Stansted and Dublin.
At the same time he wants to reduce the amount of vacation days...
Say a big NO to this offer. The payrise should be for EVERY base!
And what about the cabin crew?
Once agan, start a big pan European strike to put this greedy scumbag management on their knees. You have now the attention of all the public and press.
This is your time and moment. Don,t waste it!
By the way, from a former RYR pilot I heard that most of the 1.4 bln profit does not go to O Lairy, but to the USA. As RYR is mainly funded by US sharehoulders, pension and private equity funds.
I don,t know if this is the truth, but then also at RYR it is America First!
Making big profits over the back of underpaied and overworked EU flight and cabin crew.
In the USA they can never make this possible, as both the cabin staff and pilot unions are way too strong.
So go for it, get all member at IALPA or even better, start your own union, both for pilots and cabin crew.
Every singe RYR pilot and cabin crew should be member, no one excluded!
Good luck!
Don,t give up, don,t give in!