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Old 7th Sep 2017, 14:32   #1 (permalink)
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First UK Pilot strike in over 40 years

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Tomorrow, for the first time since the 1970s, a group of UK pilots (From Thomas Cook Airlines) will be going on strike. TCX would have to nearly triple their pay offer to avoid a strike. Doable but to avoid embarrassment, save face and keep their jobs, highly unlikely.

Being relatively new to the company I could not even attempt to convey the deep history of betrayal pilots at my airline have faced but I'm hoping some esteemed colleagues will chime in with the detail. For the first-time British pilots have got their collective might together in order to act. We sincerely hope our professional colleagues at other airlines take advantage of what we're doing and become inspired/motivated to do the same.

Airlines regularly attempt to undercut competition by a mere pound or two just to appear at the top of pricing lists. To effect this, something has to give. In almost every case itís the terms and conditions of the workforce (not just pilots, but cabin crew, engineers, ground ops and even those in the office). This might be "good" for the consumer but it is a catastrophe for those wish to earn a decent living and as important wish to continue to enjoy working within the airline industry. However, any savings airline management recoup by stealing from the employees are seen as "management performance targets achieved". As their contracts are and will always be performance linked, they achieve bonuses for the savings they orchestrate whilst we suffer. Whether the company successfully raises their market share through offering lower cost flights or fails to do so, the fact that management managed to lower operating costs means they get rewarded handsomely.

Free capitalism is a double-edged sword. Itís clear that price wars and making flying even cheaper for the public only serves to ruin it for all that work within this industry. Flying does not need to be any cheaper than it is. I may be the consumer that benefited from the £1 saving by choosing to fly with Airline A but at the same time my partner could be the Airline A employee that is suffering because of this. There is only ever one clear winner when this happens, the elite known as Airline Management (with their bonuses).
Our employers attempt to undercut the competition in the hope they fade out and they remain the sole players. But this means our own employment choices diminish. This means we have less career hopes and potential. Less recruitment competition for our employers is quite simply bad for us.

If every single player in the market slapped on just a single pound to the cost of every ticket, no one would stop flying overnight and there could be round the table above inflation pay rises for every single employee within the business. This is the reality we should aim for and hope to achieve over the coming years.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 15:19   #2 (permalink)
 
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Can only wish the TCX boys and girls the very best of luck, I know there are plenty of other pilots watching with interest especially some very badly let down training staff at another uk holiday airline who were promised the earth and just got given yet another punch in the face.

Lose the pilots and lose the airline.

Simples really.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 15:26   #3 (permalink)
 
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Very sorry it has reached this stage. 100% behind the industrial action being taken, having be organised and actioned in a lawful and mature manner.
Is their a chance it may be delayed to help out if rescue flights are needed in the Caribbean?
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 15:31   #4 (permalink)
 
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I fully support the decision ! I hope other airlines pull there act together and support the workforce
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 15:57   #5 (permalink)
 
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Good to see the guys and gals at TCX finally standing up to the management. Somebody had to try to stop the endless promises that never came to anything. Credibility vanished years ago. It's not surprising TCX tried legal action to stop the strike and got hammered in court. How many times has that happened with tribunals etc?
Loyalty to their pilots - don't make me laugh. I know one guy who spent his entire career there and left last year - they got his name wrong at the goodbye interview.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 16:08   #6 (permalink)
 
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Full support to the Thomas Cook pilots.
Stand together and you will succeed
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 16:50   #7 (permalink)
 
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It is about time that Balpa and other UK pilot unions stand up for the Ryanair pilot community. What O Leary and his scam management has created is a discrace for the whole aviation community.
He claims to copy the Southwest model, but Ryr captains get paied if they work their ass off around 110000 eu gross, versus 300000 us in the states. Not to speak about how RYR treats their F/O,s and cabin crew.

The pilots and also cabin crew of RYR should immediately stop flying and demand better conditions.
Making 1.3 billion profit and not sharing this with the pilot and cabin crew community is a criminal fact, for which O Leary should be sent to jail. What a yoke!

Once again, the unions should stop this and all the RYR pilots should get massive support from Balpa and the other pilot unions to stand up against their office croocs.

The others who are to blaim are the RYR passengers. Flying is not cheap. Period!
Someone will pay the price for having ultra cheap tickets, the pilots and cabin crew.
Out of princple, me and my family will never ever fly with RYR. Everybody else working in the aviation business who wants to keep his/her conditions should do the same. If by that I have to pay a bit more for my flight tickets, so be it.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 17:31   #8 (permalink)
 
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Is their a chance it may be delayed to help out if rescue flights are needed in the Caribbean?
This from BALPA:

Important Update - Caribbean flights - please read


We have offered Thomas Cook that, in light of the devastating effect of Hurricane Irma in the Caribbean, it would be right to permit our members to fly certain flights into the area. It is not the intention of this strike to cause further distress to our customers or the deployment of unnecessarily fatigued or less experienced pilots into a potentially dangerous situation. We think this is the right course of action in the circumstances.
The company has declined that offer, although it remains on the table.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 17:44   #9 (permalink)
 
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Good luck! Hopefully, this will change the race to the bottom in Europe regarding pilot pay.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 18:09   #10 (permalink)
 
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There was a time when a business was run by someone who had served time on the shop floor and had worked his way up. There were no business angels, entrepreneurs and the like who seem to proliferate in all sorts of businesses, in all sorts of guises these days. As accountants did not even have electronic calculators, they were far too busy adding up ledgers to have time to interfere in the management of the business.
Airlines were run by pilots and hospitals by doctors. They understood what it took to fly aeroplanes and what it took to treat the sick and the injured. Who runs hospitals now, so called administrators. Ask yourselves this question, who runs the airline I work for, if the answer is, not former pilots, any calls for change is shouting at the winds of hurricanes just like those produced by the likes of Irma.

I applaud BALPA for their offer.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 18:11   #11 (permalink)
 
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It is always a tough decision voting to strike and even harder to actually not turn up when rostered to do so. But there comes a time when you have no choice other than to resort to industrial action. Knowing how long it takes to get to this point, TC management must have being living in denial and/or hoping they could ignore you lot. That was a very expensive decision. I hope they see sense very quickly.

El Capitano - There is little BALPA can do to help RYR pilots. It's bugger's muddle of employment contract wheezies means that its pilots are virtually unrepresentable. Only when a reasonable block (more than 50%) are employed by a single UK entity can anything be done. It's a nice thought though.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 18:19   #12 (permalink)
 
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I've long held the view that the reduction in T&Cs over the past decade or more would never have happened had a united pilot workforce, particularly in the UK, flexed its muscle. A shutdown of air services would have international economic impact within days but it is a power that, for reasons beyond my ken, have never been exercised by aircrew. The rot set in when BA crew rolled over and lapped up Walshes' s sob story of pending economic ruin, the fraudulent card played by management the world over, a management that will never entertain any deterioration in their own pay and bonus packets.

Well done and good luck to the TCX crew.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 18:58   #13 (permalink)
 
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Haven't they picked the wrong time to go on strike...nearing the end of the holiday season?

Aren't Qatar Airways on the way to rescue management?
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 19:03   #14 (permalink)
 
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MaxReheat puts his finger on the problem. All we have heard from management in every industry is the same old tale of cutting costs to survive. Eventually, there are no backroom staff left to sack, no in-house department left to out-source, every single penny has been micro managed, so the only overhead left to reduce is T&C's. As a group, pilots have witnessed and participated in the reduction of our own rewards, as has often been said, there has been a race to the bottom, particularly in Europe. (witness the thread regarding the SouthWestern pilot thinking of re-locating to Europe on here). Somebody has to draw a line in the sand, whilst there is still some beach left to draw on. I hope it goes well for the TCX pilots, but as with any vanguard action, it will be fraught with danger. GL all.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 19:16   #15 (permalink)
 
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This from BALPA:

Important Update - Caribbean flights - please read


We have offered Thomas Cook that, in light of the devastating effect of Hurricane Irma in the Caribbean, it would be right to permit our members to fly certain flights into the area. It is not the intention of this strike to cause further distress to our customers or the deployment of unnecessarily fatigued or less experienced pilots into a potentially dangerous situation. We think this is the right course of action in the circumstances.
The company has declined that offer, although it remains on the table.
I hope that with all the mainstream media that it will attract tomorrow, BALPA get that message out as well.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 19:56   #16 (permalink)
 
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We are in a race to the bottom which cannot be stopped because the public now expect to buy an airline ticket for a very small amount. TC have managed to keep their T&C for much longer than everybody else but there must be a day of reckoning and adjustment if they wish to survive.
In my airline we had this forced upon us by the threat of unemployment brought on by the mendacity and subterfuge of our previous owners. Those of us who had been employees for a significant period lost huge amounts which willl never be recovered.
The management of TC have failed to come to a settlement with its employees and based upon the way they have treated their crew they have been completely inept or very clever.
I am sure that those of us who have been in the industry for a number of years will not be surprised at this.
I hope that this strike will give them the management they deserve and need, but I very much doubt that any of them will be honourable enough to resign, and if any of those that do they will take a huge severance package.
I wonder if the hope of the management is that the crew through their demands make the present company an untenable entity, and use this as an attempt to build a new company on the remains of the old, all on new lower contracts of course.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 19:58   #17 (permalink)
 
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It is not the intention of this strike to cause further distress to our customers


The intention of any strike is to cause disruption to the company and to its customers. That's why it's called a "strike".
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 20:23   #18 (permalink)
 
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Shame it has come to a strike but sometimes you have to stand up for yourselves.
Fully support you guys. I am sure similar situations can only be close to us all.
Good luck
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 20:28   #19 (permalink)
 
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Cazalet33 what part of further don't you understand?
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 20:32   #20 (permalink)
 
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Icepack, what part of distress don't you understand?

The purpose of a strike is to strike at the victims of the strike. Hence the name.
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