Stobart Air What's it like now ?
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Stobart Air What's it like now ?
I've tried to resurrect the Aer Arann thread, as it's a few years out of date now, and although it's had quite a few views, it hasn't produced any posts.
So I'm trying a new thread. Anyone currently working for Stobart who would care to comment on the company generally ? And in particular anyone on the E-jet fleet, and been through, or going through the NTR route ? It's been advertised for a while now, through Sigma, and there seems to be various options on offer, including a decent commuting option.
I've got plenty of ERJ145 experience, and in a previous life I've been flogged to death in a regional operator. And for that reason I'm a little reluctant to go back to that sort of work, but needs must . . . . . and a commuting rotation could suit ? Just want to know what to expect from Stobart as an employer, and what's the training like for the NTR guys.
If you don't feel able to post publicly, feel free to PM. Many thanks in advance.
So I'm trying a new thread. Anyone currently working for Stobart who would care to comment on the company generally ? And in particular anyone on the E-jet fleet, and been through, or going through the NTR route ? It's been advertised for a while now, through Sigma, and there seems to be various options on offer, including a decent commuting option.
I've got plenty of ERJ145 experience, and in a previous life I've been flogged to death in a regional operator. And for that reason I'm a little reluctant to go back to that sort of work, but needs must . . . . . and a commuting rotation could suit ? Just want to know what to expect from Stobart as an employer, and what's the training like for the NTR guys.
If you don't feel able to post publicly, feel free to PM. Many thanks in advance.
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Well it seems over 1200 others might be interested in learning something about life at Stobart. Admittedly it could be one person with an OCD problem, but let's assume there at least a few who are interested in hearing what it's like to work for Stobart ? Anyone care to share their experiences/opinions ?
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Having spoken to some pilots there recently and someone from HR, they all seem happy there whether on the ATR or the E195. Some recently finally got their move to Aer Lingus on the A320 after many years of waiting. Stobart are very stuck for Captains in their Cork base. Their 5/3/5/2 roster is quite good! Your question is a little vague however... i.e. do you mean roster, A/L, treatment by management etc ? .. but in general its a friendly place to work I hear.
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Thanks for the post EFIS !
Yes, I was just after some opinions about life in general at Stobart, and about how NTR people have found the training.
The previous Aer Arann thread seemed to indicate that it was a very unhappy company, with a less than popular owner and management, and poorly maintained aircraft, and so was wondering if things had changed in that respect - or only the name ?
Day to day, life revolves around the Crew, Ops and Crew Schedulers, and I've always found good and bad everywhere; and you make the best of it wherever you are. Management can have quite an effect though generally on the 'atmosphere' you encounter during your working day, and the Training Department is obviously quite important.
As I would expect to be spending a lot of time at work in that sort of operation, it all has some bearing. And as I'm approaching retirement, I would probably consider working there as a contractor, as it more lucrative, and take the chance that a) the job will last until I retire (wrong side of sixty, so not too long), and b) that I would want to be there until I retire ? I'm in need of a job, and am at a cross-roads, and once I've decided to continue down one road, I won't be altering course. Unless I win the lotto . . . . .
Having had a mid-life crisis and changed career to "follow the dream/nightmare/adventure/tedium/fatigue . . . ad nauseum (delete as applicable)", one of things that stood out in my early days, was the perpetual moaning and bitching that pilots (amongst all the other things that they are good at) seem to be very good at. Amazing really. And these forums seem to be testament to the fact that there some who have honed this skill to perfection. However, there are also with a fair amount of good folk, who have no personal axe to grind, and are happy to share their experiences and balanced opinions, and it to these people that the thread is aimed.
So is it a company full of happy boys and girls, with well maintained aircraft and a supportive/efficient management with a no blame culture, or lots of pi@@ed off people, with crap management who will hang you out to dry if there's ever any problems, and trainers who think they are more God-like than Goddy McGodface. . . . . . .
Yes, I was just after some opinions about life in general at Stobart, and about how NTR people have found the training.
The previous Aer Arann thread seemed to indicate that it was a very unhappy company, with a less than popular owner and management, and poorly maintained aircraft, and so was wondering if things had changed in that respect - or only the name ?
Day to day, life revolves around the Crew, Ops and Crew Schedulers, and I've always found good and bad everywhere; and you make the best of it wherever you are. Management can have quite an effect though generally on the 'atmosphere' you encounter during your working day, and the Training Department is obviously quite important.
As I would expect to be spending a lot of time at work in that sort of operation, it all has some bearing. And as I'm approaching retirement, I would probably consider working there as a contractor, as it more lucrative, and take the chance that a) the job will last until I retire (wrong side of sixty, so not too long), and b) that I would want to be there until I retire ? I'm in need of a job, and am at a cross-roads, and once I've decided to continue down one road, I won't be altering course. Unless I win the lotto . . . . .
Having had a mid-life crisis and changed career to "follow the dream/nightmare/adventure/tedium/fatigue . . . ad nauseum (delete as applicable)", one of things that stood out in my early days, was the perpetual moaning and bitching that pilots (amongst all the other things that they are good at) seem to be very good at. Amazing really. And these forums seem to be testament to the fact that there some who have honed this skill to perfection. However, there are also with a fair amount of good folk, who have no personal axe to grind, and are happy to share their experiences and balanced opinions, and it to these people that the thread is aimed.
So is it a company full of happy boys and girls, with well maintained aircraft and a supportive/efficient management with a no blame culture, or lots of pi@@ed off people, with crap management who will hang you out to dry if there's ever any problems, and trainers who think they are more God-like than Goddy McGodface. . . . . . .
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Well, ...... all I can add after reading your reply is that your focus is on lots of aspects of Stobart Air.
There's a new boss there now - see the Stobart website. The Stobart Group contains a Road Freight Operation and an Airline.
The new guy at the helm of the Airline part of the Stobart Group has good credentials in fairness and there has been a serious amount of CEO changes in Aer Arann / stoabrt, and flybe in the past 10-15 years for many reasons so that leads to an inability to say how management shape an atmosphere. Go create your own atmosphere on your aircraft as a captain... regardless of management I say!
You must keep in mind that Stobart (formerly Aer Arann) makes almost all its revenue from Franchises. The ATR operation feeds into Aer Lingus hubs mostly. The E195 operation is tailored to Flybe. So what do you want to fly? .... the ATR or the E195?
If its the ATR your base will be Cork, Dublin etc.. If its the E195 then your base will definitely be Southend in South East England.
They are desperate for ATR NTR/TR captains in all Irish bases.
The 2 E195's in Southend are fully crewed , but, if you pass the simcheck and interview in Exeter at Flybe's training HQ then you will be placed in a Hold Pool until a 3rd E195 arrives whenever that will be.
The people who leave the ATR side of things in Stobart leave for Aer Lingus and the Sandpit mostly. The E195 side of things is only in its infancy still with stobart/flybe.
From all my years in aviation I think its not like ****air AKA Ryanair ..... its more like a friendlier more personal place to work . Faceless and ignorant Ryanair are too big to be approachable and friendly and its dog-eat-dog.... You are far far far less likely to get that in Stobart.
Stobart have big expansion plans and I hear they might be buying flybe or cityjet.. But that could be another false rumour. Expansion plans may not bother you given your closeness to retirement.
Keep in mind too that you can work for them as a contractor on the ATR/E195 as far as I know, but, you loose some of the benefits that the Full time employees get.
There's a new boss there now - see the Stobart website. The Stobart Group contains a Road Freight Operation and an Airline.
The new guy at the helm of the Airline part of the Stobart Group has good credentials in fairness and there has been a serious amount of CEO changes in Aer Arann / stoabrt, and flybe in the past 10-15 years for many reasons so that leads to an inability to say how management shape an atmosphere. Go create your own atmosphere on your aircraft as a captain... regardless of management I say!
You must keep in mind that Stobart (formerly Aer Arann) makes almost all its revenue from Franchises. The ATR operation feeds into Aer Lingus hubs mostly. The E195 operation is tailored to Flybe. So what do you want to fly? .... the ATR or the E195?
If its the ATR your base will be Cork, Dublin etc.. If its the E195 then your base will definitely be Southend in South East England.
They are desperate for ATR NTR/TR captains in all Irish bases.
The 2 E195's in Southend are fully crewed , but, if you pass the simcheck and interview in Exeter at Flybe's training HQ then you will be placed in a Hold Pool until a 3rd E195 arrives whenever that will be.
The people who leave the ATR side of things in Stobart leave for Aer Lingus and the Sandpit mostly. The E195 side of things is only in its infancy still with stobart/flybe.
From all my years in aviation I think its not like ****air AKA Ryanair ..... its more like a friendlier more personal place to work . Faceless and ignorant Ryanair are too big to be approachable and friendly and its dog-eat-dog.... You are far far far less likely to get that in Stobart.
Stobart have big expansion plans and I hear they might be buying flybe or cityjet.. But that could be another false rumour. Expansion plans may not bother you given your closeness to retirement.
Keep in mind too that you can work for them as a contractor on the ATR/E195 as far as I know, but, you loose some of the benefits that the Full time employees get.
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All you need to know :-
"The judge also said he considered the evidence of Warwick Brady (who gave evidence for
Ryanair and who was with management based at Stansted airport in 2004) in relation to an alleged warning to Capt Gale by Capt Goss to be false evidence"
he is now running the show after running easyJet into the ground .
If you ever wondered about business ethics then here is the bitter truth . A High Court judge says the guy is a liar , his career continues upwards , what reputable business would hire someone whom a judge says gives false evidence in court ?
Article here https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...laim-1.1029791
"The judge also said he considered the evidence of Warwick Brady (who gave evidence for
Ryanair and who was with management based at Stansted airport in 2004) in relation to an alleged warning to Capt Gale by Capt Goss to be false evidence"
he is now running the show after running easyJet into the ground .
If you ever wondered about business ethics then here is the bitter truth . A High Court judge says the guy is a liar , his career continues upwards , what reputable business would hire someone whom a judge says gives false evidence in court ?
Article here https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...laim-1.1029791
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WELL SAID Nil Further.....Warwick Brady - ex Ryanair & easyjet - is a 
cancer to aviation and is now close to the top in the Stobart Group . He started on 3 January 2017 as Deputy Group Chief Executive Officer. AVOID AVOID AVOID.
Take heed of this L8STARTER....
I worked for ryr when he was there and its difficult to describe the level of disgust and hatred felt by self-respecting pilots towards Brady let alone the other ryr middle management crowd.
I forgot to mention this in my earlier post , so big Kudos to NIL FURTHER for reminding us all.
cancer to aviation and is now close to the top in the Stobart Group . He started on 3 January 2017 as Deputy Group Chief Executive Officer. AVOID AVOID AVOID.Take heed of this L8STARTER....
I worked for ryr when he was there and its difficult to describe the level of disgust and hatred felt by self-respecting pilots towards Brady let alone the other ryr middle management crowd.
I forgot to mention this in my earlier post , so big Kudos to NIL FURTHER for reminding us all.
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The forum search will offer this.... http://www.pprune.org/where-they-now...can-india.html
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/2...e-critics.html
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Gentlemen, thank you all so much for your input and sharing some very useful info. And it's definitely given me something to think about.
I would certainly consider myself to be a principled individual. However, I learned a long time ago, that in order to both survive, and stop myself going mad or wanting to commit murder, that sometimes you just have to put your principles in your back pocket - they don't put food on the table. And then I left the airlines to go into the corporate world. My God what an eye opener that's been . . . . . and I think Mr Brady might feel right at home in it . . .
It certainly doesn't bode well for the future in Stobart does it. Bugger. Anyway, if I go for it, then as a contractor on the E-jet would be the way to go I think. And yes EFIS, like a lot (hopefully most) skippers, I like to 'set the tone' for hopefully a good day out with everyone. However, I've been around long enough to have had some experience of the unhappiness that crappy management can create amongst the poor sods who are actually constantly doing their best to keep the show on the road.
As time is in my side (in so much as I wouldn't have to put up with WB for too long), my main concern for everyone else - and especially since as EFIS says "The new guy at the helm of the Airline part of the Stobart Group has good credentials in fairness" - is why would they appoint somebody like WB, since they must know exactly what he's like ? And as its still early days for him, I'm guessing he's probably been quiet, and not had much impact on the operation yet ? Time will tell, but perhaps people at Stobart could keep everyone else informed in due course ?
Thanks again everyone, always appreciated.
I would certainly consider myself to be a principled individual. However, I learned a long time ago, that in order to both survive, and stop myself going mad or wanting to commit murder, that sometimes you just have to put your principles in your back pocket - they don't put food on the table. And then I left the airlines to go into the corporate world. My God what an eye opener that's been . . . . . and I think Mr Brady might feel right at home in it . . .
It certainly doesn't bode well for the future in Stobart does it. Bugger. Anyway, if I go for it, then as a contractor on the E-jet would be the way to go I think. And yes EFIS, like a lot (hopefully most) skippers, I like to 'set the tone' for hopefully a good day out with everyone. However, I've been around long enough to have had some experience of the unhappiness that crappy management can create amongst the poor sods who are actually constantly doing their best to keep the show on the road.
As time is in my side (in so much as I wouldn't have to put up with WB for too long), my main concern for everyone else - and especially since as EFIS says "The new guy at the helm of the Airline part of the Stobart Group has good credentials in fairness" - is why would they appoint somebody like WB, since they must know exactly what he's like ? And as its still early days for him, I'm guessing he's probably been quiet, and not had much impact on the operation yet ? Time will tell, but perhaps people at Stobart could keep everyone else informed in due course ?
Thanks again everyone, always appreciated.
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Whiskey Hotel, FO Take home varies month to month depending on sectors flown etc. Rough guide £25,672 PA then theres flight and duty pay. I get roughly £2800 after tax.
Duty per hour £2.12
Sector pay
Short sector less than 1 hour 20 £6.93
Long sector More than 1 hour 20min. £7.74
Meal allowance £17.44
Time to command is as long as it takes you to get 2000 hours and 500 on type. They have just started a new Command development course which is aimed at increasing the success rate of upgrade.
Duty per hour £2.12
Sector pay
Short sector less than 1 hour 20 £6.93
Long sector More than 1 hour 20min. £7.74
Meal allowance £17.44
Time to command is as long as it takes you to get 2000 hours and 500 on type. They have just started a new Command development course which is aimed at increasing the success rate of upgrade.
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Whiskey Hotel, FO Take home varies month to month depending on sectors flown etc. Rough guide £25,672 PA then theres flight and duty pay. I get roughly £2800 after tax.
Duty per hour £2.12
Sector pay
Short sector less than 1 hour 20 £6.93
Long sector More than 1 hour 20min. £7.74
Meal allowance £17.44
Time to command is as long as it takes you to get 2000 hours and 500 on type. They have just started a new Command development course which is aimed at increasing the success rate of upgrade.
Duty per hour £2.12
Sector pay
Short sector less than 1 hour 20 £6.93
Long sector More than 1 hour 20min. £7.74
Meal allowance £17.44
Time to command is as long as it takes you to get 2000 hours and 500 on type. They have just started a new Command development course which is aimed at increasing the success rate of upgrade.
Seeing as how EI main and FR will work you into the ground for your 900 what kind of hours are you doing a year in STK?
From what I hear they are good crowd to work with, flexible rosters etc.
Is there any chance to move to the EMB or left seat ATR to right seat in EI?
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At the moment I'm based on the IOM which is great given I'm Manx. I have done approx 550 hours here on the island. our colleagues in Dublin and Cork are doing 600-700 a year. I some cases Cork based crews are close to Max hours given the length of the flights in an ATR!
Great to work for stable roster pattern 5/2 5/3.
There is internal applications ongoing for the EMB fleet and it would appear to be quite straight forward to move across.
We have seen around 25 go into EI - so yes getting into EI isn't an issue.
Great to work for stable roster pattern 5/2 5/3.
There is internal applications ongoing for the EMB fleet and it would appear to be quite straight forward to move across.
We have seen around 25 go into EI - so yes getting into EI isn't an issue.