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Hi,
any news here?? Did the assessments already took place or will they be later this month?
I still have no information regarding my application. Does somebody have a contact number?
any news here?? Did the assessments already took place or will they be later this month?
I still have no information regarding my application. Does somebody have a contact number?
Join Date: Aug 2016
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they need people. many pilots are leaving and some already left.
in the 6-8 months expect like 10-12 sfo to leave and probably captains too.
destinations are mainly norwegian but cargolux, eurowings, transavia and others are also options taken into account.
in this period young second officers came in, no expansion, no career progression, no happiness in the flight deck.
even thow here the money is ok and you have a lot of spare time, doing always the same things, hearing always the same stories, having to divide the cockpit with cpts that had the opportunity to upgrade when the company was expanding (and they are not better than you....) and you are stuck on the right because they block progression is really depressive.
if you want to try something different go for it, but there is no passion to fly. automation policy doesn't allow you to fly at all, but even if you want to fly, there is nothing special of hand flying a 30 nm stabilized ils approach. but that's mainly long haul.
as a first job i would rather choose a 737 place where to learn how to fly.
as a transition to large jet is ok, but then you have to move somewhere else either for upgrading or to go back flying and handle the plane, we all are pilots, are we?
training is ok, strange guys as everywhere. rostering is good, management too imho.
don't be surprised seeing always the same people going to LAX via SEA or going to ORD.
somebody is doing his own roster, others uses cpt and tre job as an hobby while having other activities, and that pisses off many, but you have to stick with it.
on the other hand planning personnel is really helpful.
it could be a choice to transition to a larger jet, it can be an option for somebody who doesn't care about career but just being at home and have a safe salary. you can't say is bad or good. it depends on what you want.
in the 6-8 months expect like 10-12 sfo to leave and probably captains too.
destinations are mainly norwegian but cargolux, eurowings, transavia and others are also options taken into account.
in this period young second officers came in, no expansion, no career progression, no happiness in the flight deck.
even thow here the money is ok and you have a lot of spare time, doing always the same things, hearing always the same stories, having to divide the cockpit with cpts that had the opportunity to upgrade when the company was expanding (and they are not better than you....) and you are stuck on the right because they block progression is really depressive.
if you want to try something different go for it, but there is no passion to fly. automation policy doesn't allow you to fly at all, but even if you want to fly, there is nothing special of hand flying a 30 nm stabilized ils approach. but that's mainly long haul.
as a first job i would rather choose a 737 place where to learn how to fly.
as a transition to large jet is ok, but then you have to move somewhere else either for upgrading or to go back flying and handle the plane, we all are pilots, are we?
training is ok, strange guys as everywhere. rostering is good, management too imho.
don't be surprised seeing always the same people going to LAX via SEA or going to ORD.
somebody is doing his own roster, others uses cpt and tre job as an hobby while having other activities, and that pisses off many, but you have to stick with it.
on the other hand planning personnel is really helpful.
it could be a choice to transition to a larger jet, it can be an option for somebody who doesn't care about career but just being at home and have a safe salary. you can't say is bad or good. it depends on what you want.
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Hi,
thank you for the info dreimalsieben.
Are there any rumours if the requirments will be lowered for the FO or if there will be some external SO recruitment on top of the TFC classes?
Thanky for any additional info.
thank you for the info dreimalsieben.
Are there any rumours if the requirments will be lowered for the FO or if there will be some external SO recruitment on top of the TFC classes?
Thanky for any additional info.
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well there is one TFC class going on. As for now these guys will be employed as soon as they finish their training due to the fact that some of the trainees are descendants of/or somehow linked to some more "important" guys from the company.
as already mentioned, there will be some more guys leaving the company and the HR department ist struggling to find new experienced pilots.
as already mentioned, there will be some more guys leaving the company and the HR department ist struggling to find new experienced pilots.
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The package is awsome, myid, teil zeit, a lot comes with your contract.
But you will be stuck on your right seat forever flying with somebody on the left that absolutelt didn't deserve it. Again, just friends, right place at the right moment and so on. Lucky guys but not every if them is ok to seat there imho. Norwegian will become a subsidiary of Box..
But you will be stuck on your right seat forever flying with somebody on the left that absolutelt didn't deserve it. Again, just friends, right place at the right moment and so on. Lucky guys but not every if them is ok to seat there imho. Norwegian will become a subsidiary of Box..
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update: urgent need of FO.
a lot of very good guys left. that's really sad.
other good are going very very soon.
The "bads" are staying because they can't pass screenings. and they like to talk a lot (bulls°°t) because on a 10 hours flight they don't keep themselves busy with situational awareness, weather, etc.. but only opening and closing the mouth saying no sense sentences; apparently they think they appear bright to others.
Second officers building hours and then will leave to get landings and career. Makes no sense for them staying for 10 years with 100 landings having seen nothing in the real world. Understandable.
So, FO with 5-6K on the short haul that's the opportunity to step on a big mama. close your ears and join a really good company. but the career side will be the dark side of the moon.
3-4 years, 3000hrs on the beast and take off. Or if you live in LEJ then is winning at the LOTTO.
a lot of very good guys left. that's really sad.
other good are going very very soon.
The "bads" are staying because they can't pass screenings. and they like to talk a lot (bulls°°t) because on a 10 hours flight they don't keep themselves busy with situational awareness, weather, etc.. but only opening and closing the mouth saying no sense sentences; apparently they think they appear bright to others.
Second officers building hours and then will leave to get landings and career. Makes no sense for them staying for 10 years with 100 landings having seen nothing in the real world. Understandable.
So, FO with 5-6K on the short haul that's the opportunity to step on a big mama. close your ears and join a really good company. but the career side will be the dark side of the moon.
3-4 years, 3000hrs on the beast and take off. Or if you live in LEJ then is winning at the LOTTO.
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Hiring??
Ok, I hear guys are leaving, but I don't see vacancies advertised on the webpage! To me that job sounds tempting, short trips, maid, Teilzeit, work live balance seems good, also maybe not the money
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Or if you live in LEJ then is winning at the LOTTO
The package is
with no career, thats why people are leaving.Does Joe pay you a dinner for your post?
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@EAM :
Joe doesn't pay me nothing, i am on a 85ish scale including sfo allowance and it gives me about 6k net a month which is not bad for an FO (what do you think EDDT..? i am not paid more than an average cpt at Germania? Sunexpress 737? and so on..?)
but i am leaving anyhow because of the career.
And..what can you earn in terms of experience doing 10 hours straight ahead ?
The Second officers what they understand about flying? nothing. Landings, take offs, approaches, considerations...
But....if you want a lot of free time and problem less flying and operations then that's the magic company.
I am not complaining and i am not doing publicity. i said the truth.
Eurowings is taking many of us, Azur is interesting, norwegian is a cool place, Transavia could be nice, Condor too.
It depends what you want, i just made a picture of what it aerologic now.
and about payscale don't complain my friend. even 4K net is good for an FO.
low experience pilots needs to go somewhere else. Even consider EK or KAL. Go if you are unhappy but don't spit on what is not bad at all. I will leave but i can't say it was as you are saying.
Joe doesn't pay me nothing, i am on a 85ish scale including sfo allowance and it gives me about 6k net a month which is not bad for an FO (what do you think EDDT..? i am not paid more than an average cpt at Germania? Sunexpress 737? and so on..?)
but i am leaving anyhow because of the career.
And..what can you earn in terms of experience doing 10 hours straight ahead ?
The Second officers what they understand about flying? nothing. Landings, take offs, approaches, considerations...
But....if you want a lot of free time and problem less flying and operations then that's the magic company.
I am not complaining and i am not doing publicity. i said the truth.
Eurowings is taking many of us, Azur is interesting, norwegian is a cool place, Transavia could be nice, Condor too.
It depends what you want, i just made a picture of what it aerologic now.
and about payscale don't complain my friend. even 4K net is good for an FO.
low experience pilots needs to go somewhere else. Even consider EK or KAL. Go if you are unhappy but don't spit on what is not bad at all. I will leave but i can't say it was
as you are saying.
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about payscale don't complain my friend. even 4K net is good for an FO.
Its just funny, you say its a great place to be, but you are leaving yourself?
Well just put it that way.
For young FOs who like a big plane and don't care about money, its great.
For experienced FOs who like big planes and don't care about careers, its great.
For CPTs who come from AUA and get top level salary, its great.
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well about the situation at Aerologic:
After pausing in 2015, management again asked for a survey upon its pilots. As expected, the results turned out to be again catastrophic for the company representing the current situation within Aerologic.
The mood has been at an all-time low for the last 3 consecutive years! Pilots, especially experienced First Officers, leaving the company due to the complete lack of career progression. Captain positions have either been filled by hiring captains from Austrian Airlines (with their salary at the top end of remuneration scale) or promoting experienced First Officers who joined in from Austrian Airlines as well. Seniority for upgrades (both for Captains as well as for Senior First Officers) is not taken into account at all and decision on who will be promoted just depends on the arbitrariness of the head of flight operations.
Rumours say that within the next 3 months (JAN-MAR) around 15 First Officers and 1-2 Captains will leave, most of them (like almost all the others who left before) will join Norwegian (as Aerologic pilots are warmly welcomed there). This combined number totals approx. 8% of the pilots employed with Aerologic who will resign within the next 3 months - not taking into account many others who will follow soon.
Screenings for First Officers are withheld at the moment and company does not accept online applications via their homepage. With beginning of November many external pilots from Austrian Airlines will accomplish their type-rating with Aerologic so training capacities for the next months are already depleted.
Some guys believe that those external pilots will receive a job offer from Aerologic management after completing their training to compensate for those who are leaving soon.
After pausing in 2015, management again asked for a survey upon its pilots. As expected, the results turned out to be again catastrophic for the company representing the current situation within Aerologic.
The mood has been at an all-time low for the last 3 consecutive years! Pilots, especially experienced First Officers, leaving the company due to the complete lack of career progression. Captain positions have either been filled by hiring captains from Austrian Airlines (with their salary at the top end of remuneration scale) or promoting experienced First Officers who joined in from Austrian Airlines as well. Seniority for upgrades (both for Captains as well as for Senior First Officers) is not taken into account at all and decision on who will be promoted just depends on the arbitrariness of the head of flight operations.
Rumours say that within the next 3 months (JAN-MAR) around 15 First Officers and 1-2 Captains will leave, most of them (like almost all the others who left before) will join Norwegian (as Aerologic pilots are warmly welcomed there). This combined number totals approx. 8% of the pilots employed with Aerologic who will resign within the next 3 months - not taking into account many others who will follow soon.
Screenings for First Officers are withheld at the moment and company does not accept online applications via their homepage. With beginning of November many external pilots from Austrian Airlines will accomplish their type-rating with Aerologic so training capacities for the next months are already depleted.
Some guys believe that those external pilots will receive a job offer from Aerologic management after completing their training to compensate for those who are leaving soon.
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i am on the take off runway now, an together with me other 5. 2 cpt received their contract too. other 5 passed their screening but i don't have their names so i don't know them. norwegian seems a really good place where to work, i met former box pilots and they are all very happy. roster, commuting and money.anyway i will never spit on box, they gave me food standards and nice bunch of people. not everybody but most. again it's just a matter of what you want to do in your life. relatively young you can't be stuck on the same plane on the same route with the same people for ever. but it's a personal decision. good luck to everybody, who wants to come to box and who wants to leave box. happy landings.
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natuerlich is like this @mrangryfrompurley !
but you can't eat wienerschnitzel every day. you have to eat something different.
and after three years probably also the pizza is boring.
what makes the food different are mainly the destinations and in second instance the crew in this case. so the topping of the pizza is always different. at least it tastes differently.
the company where a pilot stays all life could be one like lufthansa where you have started on the 737 you go on the 74 you become a sfo you go back on a 320 as cpt and you will end up on a 330-40 or 80 as cpt. now even there they have a bit of problems, but on the major, changing planes every 5-7 years, changing role and so on, makes the probability to leave very remote.
if you are stuck on a plane on your role on the same destination on a small company where you are not valued, where there is a one man show (and you don't like it) and where all the flts over the pacific are flown by only one cpt (we are not good enough?), flts to lax always same name,...and i leave comments over single engine flts (..) or upgrade thanx to tooth decay (..) at less than half of the hrs required now..anyway it's only a personal opinion and this is not changing my mind over the solidity of the company, is just a picture of it. If you don't care about all that you will have a really good time.
but you can't eat wienerschnitzel every day. you have to eat something different.
and after three years probably also the pizza is boring.
what makes the food different are mainly the destinations and in second instance the crew in this case. so the topping of the pizza is always different. at least it tastes differently.
the company where a pilot stays all life could be one like lufthansa where you have started on the 737 you go on the 74 you become a sfo you go back on a 320 as cpt and you will end up on a 330-40 or 80 as cpt. now even there they have a bit of problems, but on the major, changing planes every 5-7 years, changing role and so on, makes the probability to leave very remote.
if you are stuck on a plane on your role on the same destination on a small company where you are not valued, where there is a one man show (and you don't like it) and where all the flts over the pacific are flown by only one cpt (we are not good enough?), flts to lax always same name,...and i leave comments over single engine flts (..) or upgrade thanx to tooth decay (..) at less than half of the hrs required now..anyway it's only a personal opinion and this is not changing my mind over the solidity of the company, is just a picture of it. If you don't care about all that you will have a really good time.
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Aerologic assessment
Hey guys,
I was wondering about the Aerologic assessment. I am considering to apply. Don't really need to leave wehre I am now but always keeping my eyes open. It has been quite a while since I graduated flightschool and had my last assessment. So naturally I am a little off the assessment bandwagon. What is being asked in the assessment and what kind of tests do the run? Please don't tell me to check older/other posts - because I am only interested in most up to date info available and not the stuff from 2013/14...
I was wondering about the Aerologic assessment. I am considering to apply. Don't really need to leave wehre I am now but always keeping my eyes open. It has been quite a while since I graduated flightschool and had my last assessment. So naturally I am a little off the assessment bandwagon. What is being asked in the assessment and what kind of tests do the run? Please don't tell me to check older/other posts - because I am only interested in most up to date info available and not the stuff from 2013/14...
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Aerologic Assessment
Hi Guys,
I have an Aerologic Assessment planned in September 2017.
My German is up to acceptable fluent conversational level.
Is there anybody who can help me answer this:
- Assessment: is the assessment completely done in German (computer based psychometric as well, or only the interview?)
- Are there any non-German native speakers?
- Any extra info about the assessment?
- I have roughly 4K hours, just a little under, with about 3700 of them on 737, any idea what my pay scale would be?
I have an Aerologic Assessment planned in September 2017.
My German is up to acceptable fluent conversational level.
Is there anybody who can help me answer this:
- Assessment: is the assessment completely done in German (computer based psychometric as well, or only the interview?)
- Are there any non-German native speakers?
- Any extra info about the assessment?
- I have roughly 4K hours, just a little under, with about 3700 of them on 737, any idea what my pay scale would be?