Experienced bus guys applying for Ryan Air
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Experienced bus guys applying for Ryan Air
Hi Guys,
Has anyone ever heard of this salmon way of swimming ? i.e."Experienced bus guys applying for Ryan Air" if you want a particular base being offered by the latter etc, etc....anyone with sage words are always welcome....
Has anyone ever heard of this salmon way of swimming ? i.e."Experienced bus guys applying for Ryan Air" if you want a particular base being offered by the latter etc, etc....anyone with sage words are always welcome....
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Don't count on getting the base you want, I know of a very experienced boeing captain who got invited to the interview with promises of the base he wanted, but when he got their it was basically about a complete different base. And even if you get offered the base you want during the interview, chances are you'll end up on a completely different base after you signed the papers.
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Err, not sure you are quite correct there with your assumption about bases!
Most people turn up looking for a specific base, thats obvious.
However everyone is asked for 3 choices in list of priority.
Ryanair HR will try and accommodate a base request if it can.
When you have a requirement for experienced pilots and you can't offer them a base they want then even Ryanair knows they won't join.
Also if you want to piss them off even more and get them to leave is to change the base after you sign.
Err dont fink so.
I don't think any airline that wants to expand as fast as Ryanair would commit HR suicide by doing so.
Anyway we digress.
Back to the question not met any Airbus guys looking for jobs in FR thats not to say it not happening.
Most people turn up looking for a specific base, thats obvious.
However everyone is asked for 3 choices in list of priority.
Ryanair HR will try and accommodate a base request if it can.
When you have a requirement for experienced pilots and you can't offer them a base they want then even Ryanair knows they won't join.
Also if you want to piss them off even more and get them to leave is to change the base after you sign.
Err dont fink so.
I don't think any airline that wants to expand as fast as Ryanair would commit HR suicide by doing so.
Anyway we digress.
Back to the question not met any Airbus guys looking for jobs in FR thats not to say it not happening.
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Plenty of guys in the gulf, A320/330 guys applying. No luck so far.
Also know a couple of KE A330 guys submitted details for DEC none rated.
They are still working overseas so dont think they have much luck.
They are not korean, have EASA licences and 10000 hours plus of airbus command.
Also know a couple of KE A330 guys submitted details for DEC none rated.
They are still working overseas so dont think they have much luck.
They are not korean, have EASA licences and 10000 hours plus of airbus command.
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Experienced Airbus captains looking to come home from the Middle or Far East to join Ryanair? It must be unbelievably dire working out of Europe to consider that. Incidentally, according to the Ryanair website, only 737NG-rated pilots need apply. Presumably the people who left them to join Norwegian now realise that life can be worse than Ryanair and will come back home to Uncle Michael, tails between their legs. It's a hard world out there.
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i dunno where THE HELL the count gets his ..... up facts from, but the rednosed side of the ocean is a hellofalot shinier than the blue and yellow believe you me. anyone who has another idea let em' gimme a call so i can smack them silly or at least set em' straight with a nice little kick in the balls. the industry is full of whining, but none of it is coming from the guys i'm flying with..... anyone actually in nas, correct me, but obviously...... i'm not wrong..
Sorry to state the obvious, but wouldn't an Airbus rated pilot be better off applying to easyjet than Ryanair ?
I could understand A320 pilots applying for B737 jobs at BA for example but Ryanair is hardly an employer of choice, more of necessity.
I could understand A320 pilots applying for B737 jobs at BA for example but Ryanair is hardly an employer of choice, more of necessity.
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Easyjet are not interested in anyone with experience for UK operations. You need to be an MPL cadet with less than 100 hours to be considered. There has been a small amount of recruitment into newly opened European bases where the terms and conditions offered were so bad that there was no internal uptake.
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I wonder what would happen if an experienced LHS/RHS driver submitted a cadet or junior F/O style CV, reached interview, maintained the secret until offered the job and then opened up with the truth. If they were then rejected it would make an interesting story for the media. If selection continued then you have a job.
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Yes; but the big difference with other untrue job applications have all been with people claiming they are MORE qualified than they are. Hence my curiosity what would have if someone down-played their skills just to get a foot in the door.
Maybe i should knock a couple of zeros off my total time to stand a chance lol
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I think Ryanair are being quite cute with current employment practices for the UK at least, they don't want another Summer like last Summer having to sub in aircraft and crews.
Meanwhile NAS/J2 have adopted the Ostrich school of management position, oblivious as to where the pilot requirements for 2016 will be met from, with NAS back to a 25% planned growth rate in 2016, FR with multiple monthly aircraft deliveries.
Some of this demand will be met from current sand people seeking greener/less brown pastures new, the big problem is basing, Jet2 can't offer anything South of EMA (other than ALC and that more sand) Norwegian can't for now offer anything North of LGW and with a strict base bidding system that means more sand in LPA/TFS for new starters for at least 6 months.
I doubt any (unlikely) increase in money will have any + effect either, home base is key and lets face it with UK infrastructure its easier to commute across Europe than drive between the Liverpool/Manchester and LGW
Even the often rumoured Midlands/Northern bases for NAS would be back filled from LGW based UK commuter and a few in AGP/ALC Euro commuters
Meanwhile NAS/J2 have adopted the Ostrich school of management position, oblivious as to where the pilot requirements for 2016 will be met from, with NAS back to a 25% planned growth rate in 2016, FR with multiple monthly aircraft deliveries.
Some of this demand will be met from current sand people seeking greener/less brown pastures new, the big problem is basing, Jet2 can't offer anything South of EMA (other than ALC and that more sand) Norwegian can't for now offer anything North of LGW and with a strict base bidding system that means more sand in LPA/TFS for new starters for at least 6 months.
I doubt any (unlikely) increase in money will have any + effect either, home base is key and lets face it with UK infrastructure its easier to commute across Europe than drive between the Liverpool/Manchester and LGW
Even the often rumoured Midlands/Northern bases for NAS would be back filled from LGW based UK commuter and a few in AGP/ALC Euro commuters
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When push comes to shove !
At the moment airline recruitment is largely run by so called ( usually by themselves) HR professionals who demonstrate an ostrich like talent for ignoring common sense and using trendy theory driven methods of recruitment.
While airline boards like to think of themselfs as progressive equal opportunities employers embrace these practices as a filter to cut down job applicants to manageable levels during periods of pilot gluts, however the prospect of aircraft sitting on the ground un-crewed will bring a new reality to the recruitment market.
Jet 2 have already junked most of the recruitment bull that had vastly experienced candidates being judged and rejected by computer games that are the stock in trade of the HR people, this comes first to Jet 2 as they are the last place ( unless you live oop North ) that a pilot would seek employment.
The same sort of recruitment reality will be headed towards all the airlines that find themselfs short of pilots, in short we are likely to see better T&C's and recruitment done by senior pilots interviewing candidates and applying what the guys at XL airways called the Sharm El Sheik test. ( could you go to Sharm and back and not want to throttle the guy by the time you got back to Manchester ).
It so going to be very interesting to see who is going to be next to find a new pragmatism in pilot recruitment, as usual Ryanair seem to be ahead of the market in this by improving the T&C's as it becomes first to identify the looming pilot supply crisis, perhaps it will also dawn on the management of other airlines that are copying the former Ryanair ways that perhaps the market has moved away from this way of doing business with their employees.
While airline boards like to think of themselfs as progressive equal opportunities employers embrace these practices as a filter to cut down job applicants to manageable levels during periods of pilot gluts, however the prospect of aircraft sitting on the ground un-crewed will bring a new reality to the recruitment market.
Jet 2 have already junked most of the recruitment bull that had vastly experienced candidates being judged and rejected by computer games that are the stock in trade of the HR people, this comes first to Jet 2 as they are the last place ( unless you live oop North ) that a pilot would seek employment.
The same sort of recruitment reality will be headed towards all the airlines that find themselfs short of pilots, in short we are likely to see better T&C's and recruitment done by senior pilots interviewing candidates and applying what the guys at XL airways called the Sharm El Sheik test. ( could you go to Sharm and back and not want to throttle the guy by the time you got back to Manchester ).
It so going to be very interesting to see who is going to be next to find a new pragmatism in pilot recruitment, as usual Ryanair seem to be ahead of the market in this by improving the T&C's as it becomes first to identify the looming pilot supply crisis, perhaps it will also dawn on the management of other airlines that are copying the former Ryanair ways that perhaps the market has moved away from this way of doing business with their employees.
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Yes I do, worked for them for nine years & left with no hard feelings ether way, about three years back when my employer went bust I applied to Jet2, interview went well but the computer games did not, it would seem that 6000 hours in command of a 737 counts for nothing if you could not play ( the now trashed ) computer game.
However I veiw the Jet2 recruitment system as a resounding success ! I moved on to a job that pays better, has moden equipment, is based locally and has an enlightened safety culture.
My former workmates who did get the Jet2 job regards each flight on one of the B737-300's as a potential simulator session, have the HR department pulling them off line for the most minor infraction of the FDM, the policy on RNAV approaches is like something out of the dark ages and the management are very aggressive. The only upside is you do three tenths of naff all work during the winter.
That should do as an opening punt !
However I veiw the Jet2 recruitment system as a resounding success ! I moved on to a job that pays better, has moden equipment, is based locally and has an enlightened safety culture.
My former workmates who did get the Jet2 job regards each flight on one of the B737-300's as a potential simulator session, have the HR department pulling them off line for the most minor infraction of the FDM, the policy on RNAV approaches is like something out of the dark ages and the management are very aggressive. The only upside is you do three tenths of naff all work during the winter.
That should do as an opening punt !
