Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Terms and Endearment
Reload this Page >

Which ryanair account to use??

Wikiposts
Search
Terms and Endearment The forum the bean counters hoped would never happen. Your news on pay, rostering, allowances, extras and negotiations where you work - scheduled, charter or contract.

Which ryanair account to use??

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 15th Mar 2015, 04:15
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: UK, Paris, Peckham, New York
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Which ryanair account to use??

Hi all, any feedback available from the choose of three accountants to use that storm recommend? And reasons why?!

Have never used an accountant before and dont really know what to look for!
UAV689 is offline  
Old 15th Mar 2015, 10:15
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London
Posts: 7,072
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
no experience with these guys but THE importnat thing is to get someone who knows the industry and (preferably) the airline

Its amazing what you discover other people are getting (or getting away with) when you talk to an experienced accountant - and they can quote chapter & verse back at any enquiries from the tax or HR mob if they ask about things

Watch out for el-cheapo's - you often get what you pay for..................
Heathrow Harry is offline  
Old 15th Mar 2015, 12:31
  #3 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: UK, Paris, Peckham, New York
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks harry, unfortunately now they make you use one of three prefered providers, no option in getting your own
UAV689 is offline  
Old 15th Mar 2015, 13:49
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: The IMF.
Posts: 537
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Why not ring up HMRC and ask them?

Just tell them that you're flying for one airline through an employment agency, but that you've been told to set up a limited company with two other new starters.

Do be sure to tell HMRC that you're not allowed to select your own accountant, but one of only 3 that the agency (airline) allow you to choose.

Also, be sure to tell them that you are forbidden from working elsewhere by the agency (airline), even though you're a limited company.

Show them a copy of your roster, and explain that you're not allowed to substitute your services with that of anyone else, as the agency (airline) tell you when you must work, where you must work and how much you must work.

This arrangement fails the "am I an employee" test on EVERY level.

I hope that HMRC are actually reading this. Maybe they will offer some free advice.

Last edited by Narrow Runway; 15th Mar 2015 at 14:27.
Narrow Runway is offline  
Old 15th Mar 2015, 15:16
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Greece
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Better to use one from liste they know all dodges. In Italy they cut my tax bill from 42000 euro to just 27000 and there cost was only 6000 so saved monie big time ok have few other costs for company but that's only 2500 euro a year
Stratobus is offline  
Old 15th Mar 2015, 19:22
  #6 (permalink)  
SD.
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: In a house
Posts: 237
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
'There cost was only 6000'. Are you kidding me, €6k per annum for accountancy fees?

They really did see you coming.
SD. is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2015, 08:24
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Greece
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Not really SD as in Greece you must produce tax certificat for money and if freelancer (self employed) it comes harder. If 75% of income is from one company then tax is flat rate. After credit crises all normal deductions were taken from us so we cannot claim all expenses we were used to doing. Tax starts at 42% after 51000 euro. Accountant needed to do 2 years tax bargan as tax year is overlapped employment year, so its reasonable. Hoping next year will be lot less.
Stratobus is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2015, 14:49
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lemonia. Best Greek in the world
Posts: 1,759
Received 6 Likes on 3 Posts
Mr Narrow is correct.

The issue, though, is that the Revenues in various countries see people and companies as individuals, and as none of this has been found to be "crime", yet, then each Revenue/employer/individual solution works just for one individual.

In the UK, whilst the "substitute someone else to do the work" test is critical, HMRC have ducked out of testing this too hard in the IT sector.

It is the IT sector that sets the rules in the UK - not aviation.
Ancient Observer is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2015, 14:56
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: another place
Posts: 736
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
HMRC didn't even act when the secret Swiss account info was passed to them.

I guess they find it easier to hit on the small guy.
Deep and fast is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2015, 15:23
  #10 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: UK, Paris, Peckham, New York
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
What I find crackers about the whole affair, is how ryanair effectively get away with goverments paying for what they should! For example you can claim 150e accomodation and food during tr, ryan dont pay for this, the country does via dodgy accounting. Same with passes, farm it out to the pilots 'company' it gets expensed and the country effectively foots the bill...

And airlines moan that the middle east carriers get subbed by their sheiks, looks like every single eu country is subbing an irish carrier unwittingly...
UAV689 is offline  
Old 23rd Mar 2015, 16:13
  #11 (permalink)  
1+F
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Cyprus
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Use Scanlon.
1+F is offline  
Old 23rd Mar 2015, 20:21
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Cloud Surfing
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
i wouldn't recommend C.+
Gpro is offline  
Old 25th Mar 2015, 10:03
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: lucca
Age: 43
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
avoid cxc like ebola!!
ryanmaverick is offline  
Old 25th Mar 2015, 14:47
  #14 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: UK, Paris, Peckham, New York
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks guys, why avoid the above, why are they so bad?!
UAV689 is offline  
Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:37
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Cloud Surfing
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
They just make your life difficult. I constantly felt ripped off
Gpro is offline  
Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:38
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Cloud Surfing
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Also they made me feel like I worked for them and not the other way round! Awful service.

Also, they changed my company without asking if that's wha I wanted. Then they wouldn't supply details of everyone else under that umbrella company.

Scanlan is supposed to be easy going.
Gpro is offline  
Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:49
  #17 (permalink)  
1+F
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Cyprus
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
In addition to what has been said above, C+ very rigid approach to what you can claim, whereas Scanlon works for you. You can confirm all this by contacting them and ask the appropriate questions as to how they will represent you.
1+F is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.