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Old 14th Mar 2015, 11:57   #1 (permalink)
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Norwegian B787 - LGW based

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Can anyone post some up to date information on terms and conditions for the Norwegian B787 drivers based in LGW?

Interested in salary (net or gross?)
Is Rishworth the only way to source a job there?
How are the rosters or is this a new base?

The last I heard they were basing pilots in Thailand.

I'm currently flying the B777 and wish to get back to the UK.
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Old 16th Mar 2015, 12:20   #2 (permalink)
 
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With the storms surrounding all employment aspects of all Norwegian operational subsidiary and shell companies, people are still interested. Unbelievable...
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Old 16th Mar 2015, 15:11   #3 (permalink)
 
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With just 7 aircraft and 3 scheduled this year why do they need 100 pilots?
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Old 16th Mar 2015, 18:24   #4 (permalink)
 
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Don't forget; in long haul operations, it normally needs 7 crews per aircraft to keep the aircraft moving efficiently. So each aircraft will need a minimum of 14 pilots to which you would have to allow for flights which need an augmented crew (3 pilots).
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 14:11   #5 (permalink)
 
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Norwegian B787 - LGW based

JW more like nine-ten crews per aircraft depends on route frequency etc
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 21:20   #6 (permalink)
 
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They need 23 pilots pr. Aircraft and 5 more coming
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 21:35   #7 (permalink)
 
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Fleet average seems to be about 12 and this "old post" supported that:
How many pilots per plane
Looks like Norwegian are going for a record!.. according to the Boeing site only 3 airframes due this year..of course that could be wrong...:roll eyes:
Deep pockets they must have:
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Old 2nd Apr 2015, 10:33   #8 (permalink)
 
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The contract for FO is 6000 eur/ month gross that includes all allowances. With apprx 35% tax in in the UK thats about eur 3900 with the current conversion rate 2850 GBP. So probably the lowest paid 787 job worldwide, and only 8 days off a month guaranteed. On top of that you need to give them 30.000 euro as guarantee that u won't leave in the first 3 years. They pay you back 10.000 eur/ year.
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Old 2nd Apr 2015, 11:16   #9 (permalink)


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I'm surprised there are muppets out there willing to sign onto that sort of cr@p deal.

Zero respect for the clowns that do.
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Old 2nd Apr 2015, 11:17   #10 (permalink)
 
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Simply supply and demand equation, don't supply to meet demand and the conditions will go up.
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Old 2nd Apr 2015, 11:38   #11 (permalink)

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Some guys may be unemployed and need to feed their families.
That being said, I am no fan of Norwegians's out sourcing, she'll-games and the "race to the bottom" cheap long-haul.
(Didn't Laker try that? 100 across the water. Guess it did not work in the long run )
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Old 2nd Apr 2015, 22:05   #12 (permalink)
 
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Please do not take this in an offensive way TowerD, but not being a fan of Norwegian long-haul as you described, you still decided to buy a return trip with them when not able to swap buddypasses (according to your own account on another part of PPRuNe).
How does that put your money where your mouth is, so to speak?

Totally agree with you in general, have a couple of buddies who faced unemployment or the dilemma of joining, putting bread on the family table won for all of them. That said, many of them will eject as soon as possible, unfortunately only to be replaced by others.

Point being that as long as pilots frowning upon terms offered by companies decide to support the same companies business when traveling on own money, the chances for pilots trying to make supply and demand meet as described by D&F are somewhere between slim to none.
Making joe public understand the point is wishful thinking, why should they care as long as we who have some degree of insight in the business dont either?
The fight starts from within, unfortunately with the dumbasses regulating the industry in the big common E today, 6k gross for an F/O and 10sh K for a skipper still is regarded as good money, even in Scandiland and other corners west of the newest joiners of the free market. Sad but true.
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Old 2nd Apr 2015, 22:28   #13 (permalink)

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Aye AUTO/MAN:

No, I never made it a secret that I bought a ticket on Norwegian Air.
Not that we are boycotting them, or that they employ strike breakers or
Can't remember my Union has said anything about it either, usually they are the first to ring that bell..
Can't bitch about the product before I try it.
Damn convenient, but lousy service and food (in Premium Class) so I won't go back and buy more tickets. I probably mentioned that before on the other forum, but maybe you missed it?
At any rate, the Race to The Bottom was more about accepting employment or a contract below Industry Standard Terms and Conditions, not about somebody buying full fare tickets on the competition.
(I would probably have used buddy passes on Norwegian in the future if I got hold of some, as they fly to the old country from an airport 10 mins from my house in the colonies. Don't think I will buy an expensive ticket however, but the lounge in OSL was nice...)

Perhaps the pilots on them Dreamliners make good money in overtime or are paid in some tax-heaven so that they doing much better than say, the non-sched freight dogs in the US who fly widebodies for 1/2 price, SkyLease, Centurion, etc.
Perhaps some Norwegian Dreamliner pilots would like to chip in...?
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Old 26th Apr 2015, 14:47   #14 (permalink)
 
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One 787 was delivered this year. Pilots employed for that one already.

Four 787s coming in 2016. 23 crew per 787 (9 CPT, 5 RCA, 9 FO) gives almost 100 new pilots. All flights except JFK use 3 pilot crew.

Employment to start this autumn well in time for the deliveries in 2016.
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Old 26th Apr 2015, 15:08   #15 (permalink)
 
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Regular resignations will ensure fairly constant recruitment on top of expansion. Perhaps not the best long-term choice of employer.
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Old 26th Apr 2015, 16:09   #16 (permalink)
 
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What's the deal with these new UK employment contracts they're advertising.. Same T&C as before?
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Old 26th Apr 2015, 16:12   #17 (permalink)
 
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I was interested, but no allowance on night stops and 30k up front? I have more self respect than that.
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Old 26th Apr 2015, 18:12   #18 (permalink)
 
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For every position you have a fixed allowance of EUR 1,000 plus phone expenses (EUR 50 or 100 depending on position).
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Old 27th Apr 2015, 07:12   #19 (permalink)
 
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A company with a high risk of folding, a rock bottom salary and a history of not keeping to agreements. You gotta be pretty desperate. Is that what the pax want up front? A desperate guy that cannot get a job anywhere else?
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 06:48   #20 (permalink)
 
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"Up Front" they're a great bunch of pilots and far from desperate.

Many saw it as an opportunity to extract themselves from low cost carriers, one in particular, for many others it is a way back to Europe and then there are those who were forcefully retired and need or want to extend their career.

It's not for everyone but it's an opportunity to gain a good, wide-body type rating with long-haul experience and the ability to move onto other things when the opportunities arise. Many are doing just that.

I don't think anyone joined for either the money or out of desperation. They may leave for those reasons though.
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