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Is it a permanent employment contract in the UK?
The 3-year fixed term contract is for employment with an agency. Pilots are required to sign a clause that “no employment relationship exists with Norwegian”. Income tax and social contributions are deducted by the agency. Norwegian rents the crew member(s) from the respective agency and may cancel the individual Service Provider Agreement (rental agreement) of the crew member without notice, reason or recourse. A shelf-stacker directly employed by supermarket has more labor rights and labor principles than a 787 agency pilot flying for Norwegian.
Following the recent DOT decision Norwegian may believe its ‘flag of convenience’ scheme has succeeded and opposition crushed. A December 20 letter to President elect Trump by over 100 Members of Congress suggests otherwise:
“We strongly urge you to correct the Department’s mistake. We urge you, on Day One of your presidency, to start the process necessary to revoke or suspend Norwegian’s permit”
The letter may be downloaded and read in full via the following link:
http://democrats.transportation.hous...s-and-security
ALPA is “considering all action” to reverse the DOT decision. The Association of Flight Attendants, an affiliate of the AFL-CIO federation of unions, has already acted by distributing leaflets last week at several major US airports. The leaflet has the heading “Who is crewing your plane?”
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1482345812
http://www.afacwa.org/flight_attenda..._international
Norwegian’s US based cabin crew, after winning a legal ruling that Norwegian must recognize and negotiate with their union, appear to have encountered resistance:
“However, the Company wanting to “conduct an election” to select representatives to “be the liaison between management and cabin crew” bypasses the Union’s status as the bargaining representative of the cabin crew”
http://cabinassociation.org/wp-conte...11.08.2016.pdf
The first 100 days of the Trump administration will be interesting for the smiling rock ape regime.
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Very illuminating. Thanks for posting DB.
While I'm no Trump supporter, here's hoping he follows through on his campaign rhetoric to protect American jobs from sneaky, dishonest flags of convenience such as this sham of a 'Norwegian' company.
Also great to see there is such widespread support for stopping it in Congress.
While I'm no Trump supporter, here's hoping he follows through on his campaign rhetoric to protect American jobs from sneaky, dishonest flags of convenience such as this sham of a 'Norwegian' company.
Also great to see there is such widespread support for stopping it in Congress.
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Will these pilots be paid BA-level wages?
IAG to enter longhaul LCC market in late 2Q17 - ch-aviation.com
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Hi, everybody,
Anyone could be send me his previous or current roster on PM please of LGW base to see how does Norwegian work for.
i'm wondering what roster base they used, i hears of 5 up to 8 days ON before to get 4 days off next.
Anyone could be send me his previous or current roster on PM please of LGW base to see how does Norwegian work for.
i'm wondering what roster base they used, i hears of 5 up to 8 days ON before to get 4 days off next.
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JAN 13, 2017
Unions representing 100,000 aviation workers have asked a federal appeals court to overturn the Transportation Department’s decision allowing Norwegian Air International to fly to and from the U.S.
The case filed Thursday at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, which hears appeals of administration decisions, means the long-running dispute with Norwegian will continue a while longer.
---- U.S. Aviation Workers Sue Obama Administration to Reverse DOT’s Norwegian Air International Decision
JAN 12, 2017
WASHINGTON––Organizations representing more than 100,000 aviation workers filed a petition today in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit as a first step in a drive to overturn the Obama administration’s decision to permit Norwegian Air International (NAI) to fly to and from the United States under a business plan that runs counter to U.S. Open Skies agreements and threatens U.S. jobs.
Filed today by the AFL-CIO, the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l, the Association of Flight Attendants—CWA, the Transportation Trades Department, AFL-CIO, and the Allied Pilots Association, the petition calls for review of the U.S. Department of Transportation’s (DOT) determination late last year that approving the NAI foreign air carrier permit was consistent with U.S. aviation statutes and the U.S.-EU Air Transport Agreement (ATA).
U.S. aviation workers and others have been clear that the NAI application and business model, which is designed to undermine labor standards, run counter to the ATA and that the airline should not gain the access to U.S. markets that the agreement provides. While today’s legal action is focused on the Obama administration’s failure to uphold the labor provisions of the ATA, U.S. aviation workers pledge to continue the fight against NAI and its business model until the decision is reversed or the business model is changed.
“The Administration’s decision to allow Norwegian Air International to operate in the U.S. is disappointing and undercuts key protections in place for working men and women,” said AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka. “The labor movement is united and ready to fight to overturn the decision, as evidenced by today’s action.”
“U.S. aviation workers need a U.S. administration that enforces our nation’s trade agreements and safeguards fair competition for U.S. companies and their workers,” said Capt. Tim Canoll, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l. “Since the Obama administration didn’t enforce the U.S.-EU agreement, working men and women in the aviation industry have no choice but to take legal action to safeguard our jobs against unfair foreign competition.”
"The DOT NAI decision is green lighting outsourcing of aviation jobs to nations with the lowest labor standards. This is a violation of a contract with American workers and the millions of travelers, communities and businesses who depend upon a strong U.S. aviation industry," said Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA. "We will hold the Obama administration accountable and enforce the agreement that is predicated on maintaining good jobs in the United States and the European Union. Yes, we can have vigorous competition and good jobs!"
“The DOT’s wrongheaded decision on NAI’s permit application rewards a rogue airline for bad behavior,” said Edward Wytkind, president of the Transportation Trades Department, AFL-CIO. “When our government permits foreign airlines to game our trade rules and refuses to enforce worker protections it negotiates into trade agreements, not only are good jobs and a vital industry at risk, but the public interest is in harm’s way.”
“Norwegian Air International is a blatant flag-of-convenience scheme that, left unchecked, will destroy a huge number of middle-class American jobs,” said Capt. Dan Carey, president of the Allied Pilots Association. “While we are disappointed that the Obama administration has thus far not enforced the U.S.-EU agreement, we are optimistic that we will succeed in protecting the interests of the many hard-working men and women who keep our nation’s airlines flying.”
JANUARY 13, 2017
The Southwest Airlines Pilots´ Association (SWAPA) is partnering with the NetJets Association of Shared Aircraft Pilots (NJASAP) to urge President-elect Trump to reverse the decision to grant Norwegian Air International a foreign carrier permit, the Southwest association said.
The two groups will meet in the nation´s capital for a rally for US aviation jobs on January 24.
In the final days of his administration, President Obama granted Norwegian Air International (NAI) a foreign carrier permit. This permit allows for Norwegian to establish an Irish subsidiary in order to take advantage of Ireland´s labor, tax, and social laws.
Unions representing 100,000 aviation workers have asked a federal appeals court to overturn the Transportation Department’s decision allowing Norwegian Air International to fly to and from the U.S.
The case filed Thursday at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, which hears appeals of administration decisions, means the long-running dispute with Norwegian will continue a while longer.
---- U.S. Aviation Workers Sue Obama Administration to Reverse DOT’s Norwegian Air International Decision
JAN 12, 2017
WASHINGTON––Organizations representing more than 100,000 aviation workers filed a petition today in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit as a first step in a drive to overturn the Obama administration’s decision to permit Norwegian Air International (NAI) to fly to and from the United States under a business plan that runs counter to U.S. Open Skies agreements and threatens U.S. jobs.
Filed today by the AFL-CIO, the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l, the Association of Flight Attendants—CWA, the Transportation Trades Department, AFL-CIO, and the Allied Pilots Association, the petition calls for review of the U.S. Department of Transportation’s (DOT) determination late last year that approving the NAI foreign air carrier permit was consistent with U.S. aviation statutes and the U.S.-EU Air Transport Agreement (ATA).
U.S. aviation workers and others have been clear that the NAI application and business model, which is designed to undermine labor standards, run counter to the ATA and that the airline should not gain the access to U.S. markets that the agreement provides. While today’s legal action is focused on the Obama administration’s failure to uphold the labor provisions of the ATA, U.S. aviation workers pledge to continue the fight against NAI and its business model until the decision is reversed or the business model is changed.
“The Administration’s decision to allow Norwegian Air International to operate in the U.S. is disappointing and undercuts key protections in place for working men and women,” said AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka. “The labor movement is united and ready to fight to overturn the decision, as evidenced by today’s action.”
“U.S. aviation workers need a U.S. administration that enforces our nation’s trade agreements and safeguards fair competition for U.S. companies and their workers,” said Capt. Tim Canoll, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l. “Since the Obama administration didn’t enforce the U.S.-EU agreement, working men and women in the aviation industry have no choice but to take legal action to safeguard our jobs against unfair foreign competition.”
"The DOT NAI decision is green lighting outsourcing of aviation jobs to nations with the lowest labor standards. This is a violation of a contract with American workers and the millions of travelers, communities and businesses who depend upon a strong U.S. aviation industry," said Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA. "We will hold the Obama administration accountable and enforce the agreement that is predicated on maintaining good jobs in the United States and the European Union. Yes, we can have vigorous competition and good jobs!"
“The DOT’s wrongheaded decision on NAI’s permit application rewards a rogue airline for bad behavior,” said Edward Wytkind, president of the Transportation Trades Department, AFL-CIO. “When our government permits foreign airlines to game our trade rules and refuses to enforce worker protections it negotiates into trade agreements, not only are good jobs and a vital industry at risk, but the public interest is in harm’s way.”
“Norwegian Air International is a blatant flag-of-convenience scheme that, left unchecked, will destroy a huge number of middle-class American jobs,” said Capt. Dan Carey, president of the Allied Pilots Association. “While we are disappointed that the Obama administration has thus far not enforced the U.S.-EU agreement, we are optimistic that we will succeed in protecting the interests of the many hard-working men and women who keep our nation’s airlines flying.”
JANUARY 13, 2017
The Southwest Airlines Pilots´ Association (SWAPA) is partnering with the NetJets Association of Shared Aircraft Pilots (NJASAP) to urge President-elect Trump to reverse the decision to grant Norwegian Air International a foreign carrier permit, the Southwest association said.
The two groups will meet in the nation´s capital for a rally for US aviation jobs on January 24.
In the final days of his administration, President Obama granted Norwegian Air International (NAI) a foreign carrier permit. This permit allows for Norwegian to establish an Irish subsidiary in order to take advantage of Ireland´s labor, tax, and social laws.
Last edited by marvelman; 13th Jan 2017 at 15:05. Reason: The two groups will meet in the nation´s capital for a rally for US aviation jobs on January 24.
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First, the correct official 787 Norwegian / Boeing order is:
Total 22, 3 Delivered / 19 Unfilled.
Second, Not any more financing / loan guarantees to Norwegian,
to buy Boeings, thru Ex-Im Bank USA,
bankrolled by US Taxpayers and Guaranteed by the US Government.
This is Over.
Furthermore, Wow Air, already started a few days ago to sell $ 69 USD Fares
to the US West Coast, for flights starting from January 15.
Wow Air --- Congratulations !
From Los Angeles and San Francisco to
Stockholm; Copenhagen; Bristol, England; and Edinburgh, Scotland.
And, will add two new U.S. destinations later this year, adding service to Miami in April, and to Pittsburgh in June.
"Other airlines have been talking about offering these fares," ----- "But Iceland's WOW air is actually doing it."
WOW's just-announced $69 fares came after Norwegian Air officials spent much of the holiday season on a European media blitz promising $69 fares between Europe and the United States " sometime in 2017 ".
WOW Air's California routes are serviced by three new Airbus A330 aircrafts,
----- Fantastic !
.
Total 22, 3 Delivered / 19 Unfilled.
Second, Not any more financing / loan guarantees to Norwegian,
to buy Boeings, thru Ex-Im Bank USA,
bankrolled by US Taxpayers and Guaranteed by the US Government.
This is Over.
Furthermore, Wow Air, already started a few days ago to sell $ 69 USD Fares
to the US West Coast, for flights starting from January 15.
Wow Air --- Congratulations !
From Los Angeles and San Francisco to
Stockholm; Copenhagen; Bristol, England; and Edinburgh, Scotland.
And, will add two new U.S. destinations later this year, adding service to Miami in April, and to Pittsburgh in June.
"Other airlines have been talking about offering these fares," ----- "But Iceland's WOW air is actually doing it."
WOW's just-announced $69 fares came after Norwegian Air officials spent much of the holiday season on a European media blitz promising $69 fares between Europe and the United States " sometime in 2017 ".
WOW Air's California routes are serviced by three new Airbus A330 aircrafts,
----- Fantastic !
.
Last edited by marvelman; 13th Jan 2017 at 23:06. Reason: "Other airlines have been talking about offering these fares," ----- "But Iceland's WOW air is actually doing it."
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Ah, but the passengers will prefer to fly transatlantic from EDI with a 737 MAX. . . . . won't they ? 
that well known spacious wide-bodied long haul aircraft ( &, I won't mention the poor Serfs in the front )
that well known spacious wide-bodied long haul aircraft ( &, I won't mention the poor Serfs in the front )
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I never heard the yanks trying to block Norwegian buying 200 737's and 100 787's.
Notwithstanding the incorrect order number, the entire Boeing work force and their IAM union do not support Norwegian’s flag of convenience;
“The Machinists Union applauds yesterday’s decision by the DOT to deny Norwegian Air UK (NA UK) a foreign air carrier permit exemption”
https://www.goiam.org/news/territories/transportation/nais-sister-airline-norwegian-air-uk-denied-foreign-air-carrier-exemption/
“Norwegian Air International’s business model exploits the “flags of convenience” model used in the maritime industry. The “flags of convenience” model allows an airline, for example, based in Norway to create a subsidiary on paper only in another country to take advantage of lax labor, safety and tax regulations and circumvent such laws in its home country”
Has anyone seen an Ireland employment contract applicable to crew flying for “Ireland based” Norwegian Air International?
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--- 787 --- Boeing / Norwegian --- Total Order 22. --- ONLY 3 Actual Boeing Deliveries, to NLH.
The other 8 in NLH, and, 1 in NUK , are lsf -- From:
DP Aircraft, AerCap, MG Aviation, CIT.
--- 737 --- Boeing / NAS --- LAST Delivery Aug 2015.
Boeing / NAI --- Sep 2015 - Dec 2016 : 20 Boeing Deliveries to NAI.
The other 27 in NAI, are lsf --- From:
AerCap, BBAM, Doric, JSA, Amentum Aircraft Leasing, SKK Corp., SMBC, Macquarie Air Finance, AWAS, CIT.
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--- 787 --- Boeing / Norwegian --- Total Order 22. --- ONLY 3 Actual Boeing Deliveries, to NLH.
The other 8 in NLH, and, 1 in NUK , are lsf -- From:
DP Aircraft, AerCap, MG Aviation, CIT.
--- 737 --- Boeing / NAS --- LAST Delivery Aug 2015.
Boeing / NAI --- Sep 2015 - Dec 2016 : 20 Boeing Deliveries to NAI.
The other 27 in NAI, are lsf --- From:
AerCap, BBAM, Doric, JSA, Amentum Aircraft Leasing, SKK Corp., SMBC, Macquarie Air Finance, AWAS, CIT.
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Orient Ship Management is seeking to employ US based pilots to be rented out to Norwegian, what do you “reckon” to the statement from OSM to the Norwegian Cabin Crew Association, NCCA, that;
“Under the governing laws of the RLA, until there is a collective bargaining agreement (CBA) in place with the NCCA, there is no obligation to maintain the status quo which means the employer may unilaterally change policies and introduce or expand programs, or make other changes to the status quo terms and conditions of employees”
Perhaps your reckoning is limited to superficial remarks of no consequence or value.
“Under the governing laws of the RLA, until there is a collective bargaining agreement (CBA) in place with the NCCA, there is no obligation to maintain the status quo which means the employer may unilaterally change policies and introduce or expand programs, or make other changes to the status quo terms and conditions of employees”
Perhaps your reckoning is limited to superficial remarks of no consequence or value.
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First, the correct official 787 Norwegian / Boeing order is:
Total 22, 3 Delivered / 19 Unfilled.
Second, Not any more financing / loan guarantees to Norwegian,
to buy Boeings, thru Ex-Im Bank USA,
bankrolled by US Taxpayers and Guaranteed by the US Government.
This is Over.
Furthermore, Wow Air, already started a few days ago to sell $ 69 USD Fares
to the US West Coast, for flights starting from January 15.
Wow Air --- Congratulations !
From Los Angeles and San Francisco to
Stockholm; Copenhagen; Bristol, England; and Edinburgh, Scotland.
And, will add two new U.S. destinations later this year, adding service to Miami in April, and to Pittsburgh in June.
"Other airlines have been talking about offering these fares," ----- "But Iceland's WOW air is actually doing it."
WOW's just-announced $69 fares came after Norwegian Air officials spent much of the holiday season on a European media blitz promising $69 fares between Europe and the United States " sometime in 2017 ".
WOW Air's California routes are serviced by three new Airbus A330 aircrafts,
----- Fantastic !
.
Total 22, 3 Delivered / 19 Unfilled.
Second, Not any more financing / loan guarantees to Norwegian,
to buy Boeings, thru Ex-Im Bank USA,
bankrolled by US Taxpayers and Guaranteed by the US Government.
This is Over.
Furthermore, Wow Air, already started a few days ago to sell $ 69 USD Fares
to the US West Coast, for flights starting from January 15.
Wow Air --- Congratulations !
From Los Angeles and San Francisco to
Stockholm; Copenhagen; Bristol, England; and Edinburgh, Scotland.
And, will add two new U.S. destinations later this year, adding service to Miami in April, and to Pittsburgh in June.
"Other airlines have been talking about offering these fares," ----- "But Iceland's WOW air is actually doing it."
WOW's just-announced $69 fares came after Norwegian Air officials spent much of the holiday season on a European media blitz promising $69 fares between Europe and the United States " sometime in 2017 ".
WOW Air's California routes are serviced by three new Airbus A330 aircrafts,
----- Fantastic !
.
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Did you ever had a look to the WOW T&C's?
