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Correct – she just ordered another very large pizza…
The Irish Examiner reports today:-
“32 US Congressmen have now written to Mr. Obama urging his administration to reconsider the US Department of Transportation’s (DoT) tentative decision to grant a foreign air carrier permit to Irish-based airline, Norwegian Air International (NAI)”
“The Congressmen said the opportunities created by Open Skies are not intended to undermine labor standards or the labor related rights and principles contained in EU or US laws”
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ts-400296.html
NAI pilots and cabin crews are employed by various worldwide agencies. The flight crews have neither labor rights nor labor principles with NAI directly.
The Irish Examiner reports today:-
“32 US Congressmen have now written to Mr. Obama urging his administration to reconsider the US Department of Transportation’s (DoT) tentative decision to grant a foreign air carrier permit to Irish-based airline, Norwegian Air International (NAI)”
“The Congressmen said the opportunities created by Open Skies are not intended to undermine labor standards or the labor related rights and principles contained in EU or US laws”
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ts-400296.html
NAI pilots and cabin crews are employed by various worldwide agencies. The flight crews have neither labor rights nor labor principles with NAI directly.
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At the end of the day do we legally have to have unionisation within an employer ? Doesnt happen at Goldmansachs right.? Korean Air happily operate to the US with contractual non unionised labour.
If a pilot accepts a contract that is deemed to be a bit of a pi$$ take then so be it?
If NLH cant get sufficient guys then they will increas their rates. Just because its low pay low cost shouldn't have an impact on their rights to open skies ?
With the plunge in demand for trans atlantic tourism it will be interesting to see how the next year or two pans out regarding how secure those UK Crewing contracts are.
If a pilot accepts a contract that is deemed to be a bit of a pi$$ take then so be it?
If NLH cant get sufficient guys then they will increas their rates. Just because its low pay low cost shouldn't have an impact on their rights to open skies ?
With the plunge in demand for trans atlantic tourism it will be interesting to see how the next year or two pans out regarding how secure those UK Crewing contracts are.
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At the end of the day Goldman Sachs and Korean Air have no association whatsoever with a negotiated trade agreement between the US and Europe. Included in that agreement are stipulated conditions to which both parties agreed (Article 17 bis – social element). If NAI wish to obtain a US foreign air carrier permit they must comply with the agreed conditions, simple as that. Apparently, the smiling rock ape group believes they are an exception.
In addition to Bernie Sanders, Democrat candidate for President, frontrunner Hillary Clinton, is also urging the Obama administration not to move forward with final approval of the NAI permit. In a statement to The Hill political website, Clinton campaign director Nikki Budzinski said:-
“Too many questions have been raised about NAI’s practices and plans”
http://thehill.com/policy/transporta...m-flying-to-us
"Company circumvention of Norway rules cited as reason for discontent"
http://e24.no/utenriks/hillary-clint...egian/23690146
The contentious issues have more to do with labor rights and labor principles rather than rates of pay. A search of this website and the Norway media will reveal some of Norwegian's unsavory labor practices.
In addition to Bernie Sanders, Democrat candidate for President, frontrunner Hillary Clinton, is also urging the Obama administration not to move forward with final approval of the NAI permit. In a statement to The Hill political website, Clinton campaign director Nikki Budzinski said:-
“Too many questions have been raised about NAI’s practices and plans”
http://thehill.com/policy/transporta...m-flying-to-us
"Company circumvention of Norway rules cited as reason for discontent"
http://e24.no/utenriks/hillary-clint...egian/23690146
The contentious issues have more to do with labor rights and labor principles rather than rates of pay. A search of this website and the Norway media will reveal some of Norwegian's unsavory labor practices.
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.....or if you're a shorthaul captain looking for a change in to long haul you can now apply to as DEC on the 777 with EK. Same workload (?), no union there either, more money. 
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Just received the latest updates with a general email:
The purpose of this email is to give you a brief update of the recruitment to Norwegian’s Boeing 787 fleet, and the status of your application for a flight crew position on the same fleet.
We continue to screen candidates with high intensity. During this summer we plan to screen 250 candidates for courses starting in autumn and winter. Screenings will also continue throughout the year and the years to come.
We continue to expand our Boeing 787 fleet. Today was announced that we have signed an agreement to lease two new Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners to be delivered in spring 2018. With this new agreement, our long-haul fleet will consist of 42 Dreamliners by 2020. As of today, we have 10 Dreamliners delivered.
So the future will keep us busy, and we need many new pilots.
In 2015, Norwegian was voted the most fuel-efficient transatlantic airline by renowned International Council on Clean Transportation.
Your application is still active. We will contact you further if you fail any step along the selection process, if we need more information from you, or if you progress to the step (being invited to screening).
We do send out emails like this one on a frequent basis, but we have no possibility to give individual updates to the thousands of applicants we have. If you have any questions in the meantime, please don’t hesitate to contact us via this email. Due to heavy workload from time to time, answers may take up to a few days to deliver.
In the meantime, please check that your application in Webcruiter is complete. To assist you, you will find attached a guide to Webcruiter. For contractual issues, please contact Rishworth Aviation.
Almost one year of waiting and they just send these ridicolous emails. Bah...
The purpose of this email is to give you a brief update of the recruitment to Norwegian’s Boeing 787 fleet, and the status of your application for a flight crew position on the same fleet.
We continue to screen candidates with high intensity. During this summer we plan to screen 250 candidates for courses starting in autumn and winter. Screenings will also continue throughout the year and the years to come.
We continue to expand our Boeing 787 fleet. Today was announced that we have signed an agreement to lease two new Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners to be delivered in spring 2018. With this new agreement, our long-haul fleet will consist of 42 Dreamliners by 2020. As of today, we have 10 Dreamliners delivered.
So the future will keep us busy, and we need many new pilots.
In 2015, Norwegian was voted the most fuel-efficient transatlantic airline by renowned International Council on Clean Transportation.
Your application is still active. We will contact you further if you fail any step along the selection process, if we need more information from you, or if you progress to the step (being invited to screening).
We do send out emails like this one on a frequent basis, but we have no possibility to give individual updates to the thousands of applicants we have. If you have any questions in the meantime, please don’t hesitate to contact us via this email. Due to heavy workload from time to time, answers may take up to a few days to deliver.
In the meantime, please check that your application in Webcruiter is complete. To assist you, you will find attached a guide to Webcruiter. For contractual issues, please contact Rishworth Aviation.
Almost one year of waiting and they just send these ridicolous emails. Bah...
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Your treatment, prior to entering a company, is a a "free", and very important "heads-up", of how you may expect to be treated if you choose to enter . . . . please, dear colleagues, bear this in mind. 
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Capt. PlayStation and direct bondi what is the obsession you have with Norwegian ? Do you not have anything better to do ? Advice is one thing. Revenge / bitterness / not having a life is quite another. You've made your million points. Bore off now.
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The only thing I find annoying is the nasty invective used by some. This thread is there to bring out positive/negative aspects of life with NAS and I for one am intrigued at what the future holds here. If NAS are so great I would love to see positive rebuttal of the accusations against them - but it never seems to happen.
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Hear, hear........
As Jaxofmarlow said, if NAS/NAI are such a great employer then where are the hundreds of employees jumping on here to defend them.........
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My last response was deleted by the Mods, seems - - - - is now a swear word 
At the end of the day, no-one is forced to read this thread, and everyone has the right of response.
As long as a company that I invested a few years of my time & efforts into continues to become a worse employer with the passage of each season, I will vent my spleen here.
The Fornebu honchos (now ably aided & abetted by OSM/NAI ) are trying to reinvent a particularly blue/yellow wheel, just as the instigators of these ideas are softening somewhat (to both clients & employees) as the realisation dawns that they cannot alienate their customers, nor lose the percentage of employees that they do, whilst simultaneously continuing their rampant expansion.
In spite of one of the most buoyant seasons for employment recently enjoyed this last 12 mths, NAS seem to think that we are so stupid that they can tread all over market forces & still be overrun with hapless hopefuls, I am here to help disprove this theory.
Sharing knowledge & pre-warning my colleagues in the industry is not some "cause celebre" on my part, I just want to have a clear conscience that I contribute to anyone joining doing so with full knowledge of what they are signing up for, and the fact that the reality may differ somewhat.
If anyone does't wish to hear ? well bury your head in the sand, but when you come on here bleating 9mths later as you face a Winter of unrequested, unexpected (if your head was that deeply buried) unpaid leave, don't expect that I will couch my "Told you so" in cotton wool sympathetic tones . . . . .
At the end of the day, no-one is forced to read this thread, and everyone has the right of response.
As long as a company that I invested a few years of my time & efforts into continues to become a worse employer with the passage of each season, I will vent my spleen here.
The Fornebu honchos (now ably aided & abetted by OSM/NAI ) are trying to reinvent a particularly blue/yellow wheel, just as the instigators of these ideas are softening somewhat (to both clients & employees) as the realisation dawns that they cannot alienate their customers, nor lose the percentage of employees that they do, whilst simultaneously continuing their rampant expansion.
In spite of one of the most buoyant seasons for employment recently enjoyed this last 12 mths, NAS seem to think that we are so stupid that they can tread all over market forces & still be overrun with hapless hopefuls, I am here to help disprove this theory.
Sharing knowledge & pre-warning my colleagues in the industry is not some "cause celebre" on my part, I just want to have a clear conscience that I contribute to anyone joining doing so with full knowledge of what they are signing up for, and the fact that the reality may differ somewhat.
If anyone does't wish to hear ? well bury your head in the sand, but when you come on here bleating 9mths later as you face a Winter of unrequested, unexpected (if your head was that deeply buried) unpaid leave, don't expect that I will couch my "Told you so" in cotton wool sympathetic tones . . . . .
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Unless they are management trolls, I have no idea. I would be happy to have a heads-up and avoid joining a new company on the false premise of them being the "good employer" they tried to convince me at interview. . . . still, it seems you cannot help those who do not want to be helped .
I see the same denials, but less often, on various Emirates threads, but NAS does seem to still attract quite a degree of misplaced loyalty . . . particularly it seems from those whom they haven't . . .yet . . employed, none so blind as those who will not see
I see the same denials, but less often, on various Emirates threads, but NAS does seem to still attract quite a degree of misplaced loyalty . . . particularly it seems from those whom they haven't . . .yet . . employed, none so blind as those who will not see
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Captainplaystation brings forward alot of honest and up to date information and is contributing greatly to this forum for people to make educated decisions. He isn't out to slander.
Is it true that you have to pay your own ticket, accomodation, meal when attending the interviews? I heard from a couple of guys who were bonded and sacked during the low-season that they still had to pay money to the company despite having families to feed and no salary, is there any truth to this? did they have to pay Norwegian directly or was it the contract company?
Is it true that you have to pay your own ticket, accomodation, meal when attending the interviews? I heard from a couple of guys who were bonded and sacked during the low-season that they still had to pay money to the company despite having families to feed and no salary, is there any truth to this? did they have to pay Norwegian directly or was it the contract company?
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Obsession, anything better to do, revenge, bitterness, not having a life, something productive – are all witless and desperate terms used by persons who, apparently, are unable to refute the facts of Norwegian’s abhorrent regime, nor contribute to the thread in any informative way, other than failed insult and spectacularly failed censorship by intimidation.
Not surprisingly, these types are the first to take advantage of any benefits obtained by others attempting to provoke positive change. Such life forms may also be found crawling around the airline’s management orifices on their days off or at any other opportunity, seeking to improve only their own circumstances. However, these sycophants do serve one useful function, by ensuring the thread remains active and providing an opportunity for information to be added and viewed. I will oblige;
An Irish MP has now joined the Irish Airline Pilots Association, IALPA, in calling for the DoT to deny “Ireland based” Norwegian Air International, NAI, a US permit. The Irish Times reports that Clare Daly alleges Norwegian Air Shuttle has specifically set up the Irish subsidiary to circumvent Norway’s labor laws:-
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irela...oute-1.2666986
Norwegian responds that staff are "employed" under the labor laws of the country where they are based. They conveniently neglect to state there are no employment laws between agency staff and Norwegian (the real employer, who controls their working life). What about OSM? I hear you shout. Being employed by OSM does not effect “permanent employment” or any “employment” with the respective Norwegian Group airline. OSM is merely a fractional subsidiary of the Norwegian Group. OSM also employs workers in the maritime industry, as their company name, Orient Ship Management, implies. The same "employment" criteria may be applied to Rishworth's broom cupboard, London affiliate. It is reported in the article that Norwegian believes anyone objecting to their labor model has “chosen to swim against the tide of industry”.
Meanwhile, today in Norway, the labor union PARAT is pursuing the Norwegian Group in an Oslo area court, seeking a ruling that Norwegian is indeed the real employer. The action stems from the strike in 2015 during which Norwegian reorganized the airline and “reassigned” pilots and cabin crew to various (divide and conquer) subsidiaries:-
http://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv/...et-mener-parat
Unfortunately, Norwegian’s circumvention labor model may prevail and they may get their US permit. The US wants a submarine base in Tromso and “it must be treated politically”:-
http://www.dagbladet.no/2016/05/28/n...tikk/44371919/
Not surprisingly, these types are the first to take advantage of any benefits obtained by others attempting to provoke positive change. Such life forms may also be found crawling around the airline’s management orifices on their days off or at any other opportunity, seeking to improve only their own circumstances. However, these sycophants do serve one useful function, by ensuring the thread remains active and providing an opportunity for information to be added and viewed. I will oblige;
An Irish MP has now joined the Irish Airline Pilots Association, IALPA, in calling for the DoT to deny “Ireland based” Norwegian Air International, NAI, a US permit. The Irish Times reports that Clare Daly alleges Norwegian Air Shuttle has specifically set up the Irish subsidiary to circumvent Norway’s labor laws:-
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irela...oute-1.2666986
Norwegian responds that staff are "employed" under the labor laws of the country where they are based. They conveniently neglect to state there are no employment laws between agency staff and Norwegian (the real employer, who controls their working life). What about OSM? I hear you shout. Being employed by OSM does not effect “permanent employment” or any “employment” with the respective Norwegian Group airline. OSM is merely a fractional subsidiary of the Norwegian Group. OSM also employs workers in the maritime industry, as their company name, Orient Ship Management, implies. The same "employment" criteria may be applied to Rishworth's broom cupboard, London affiliate. It is reported in the article that Norwegian believes anyone objecting to their labor model has “chosen to swim against the tide of industry”.
Meanwhile, today in Norway, the labor union PARAT is pursuing the Norwegian Group in an Oslo area court, seeking a ruling that Norwegian is indeed the real employer. The action stems from the strike in 2015 during which Norwegian reorganized the airline and “reassigned” pilots and cabin crew to various (divide and conquer) subsidiaries:-
http://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv/...et-mener-parat
Unfortunately, Norwegian’s circumvention labor model may prevail and they may get their US permit. The US wants a submarine base in Tromso and “it must be treated politically”:-
http://www.dagbladet.no/2016/05/28/n...tikk/44371919/
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If you read the post I put on , rather than getting very excited and calling me deluded, you will see I ask the question why these two are so obsessed with Norwegian. I don't refute or argue in that post. I have my own opinion on things going on in the company gained not simply through the subjective views of this site. And the idea that people are making career choices based off an anonymous site is a little egotistical. It is a tool, but hardly an objective one. So perhaps when they've climbed off their steeds, one or other could answer why they are so obsessed and if it is that one or other has been previously employed by Norwegian, then maybe the advice is not quite so "philanthropic".... ??? And I'm certainly not a management troll !!! Just had enough of whingers.
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And for the record, I'm a fully paid up member of Balpa, supporting them in as much as they can do, so no, not trying to ride any coat-tails of pioneering revolutionaries such as yourselves, effecting change from an anonymous website, that ultimately is all talk.