Aircraft pilots and engineers are UK's highest paid workers with average salaries of
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Aircraft pilots and engineers are UK's highest paid workers with average salaries of
Looks like it's the silly season:-
Aircraft pilots and engineers are UK's highest paid workers with average salaries of £90,410 (more than chief executives and medical practitioners)
Aircraft pilots and engineers are UK's highest paid workers with average salaries of £90,410 (more than chief executives and medical practitioners)
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....and just the story that any airline exec' would want to feed to the DM to nip any workforce unrest in the bud, before the negotiating season (to be jolly) gets under way....
Figures can't lie, but liars can figure.
How about a survey of how much a typical employee has to pay to be able to work in their chosen profession? ATPL/IR, MCC and a type rating say 737 or 320. No that wouldn't make a good story.
Does anyone, with a modicum of rational thought and intelligence, believe the Daily Mail. Scary thought that these people walk among us.
How about a survey of how much a typical employee has to pay to be able to work in their chosen profession? ATPL/IR, MCC and a type rating say 737 or 320. No that wouldn't make a good story.
Does anyone, with a modicum of rational thought and intelligence, believe the Daily Mail. Scary thought that these people walk among us.
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Along with the meaning of terms such as "mean", "median" and "mode", it's also worth bearing in mind the following from the Guardian piece:
(my emphasis)
Edit to add: FWIW having had a harder look it seems the ONS has gone for the median figures.... that said it's still meaningless (IMHO) since as VoP points out below it excludes the self employed/service providers.
The data is taken from their PAYE record – it includes bonuses, but the figures do not cover the self-employed or celebrities who don’t appear on company payrolls.
Edit to add: FWIW having had a harder look it seems the ONS has gone for the median figures.... that said it's still meaningless (IMHO) since as VoP points out below it excludes the self employed/service providers.
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Lies, damn lies, and statistics
Taking an average of the "white market" is hardly a fair measure - quantitatively or qualitatively.
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Under the Guardian article look at Rail Engineers. It says "includes aircraft engineers, shop and hovercraft officers(?!), and other transport professionals.
So that'll be everyone and his dog then and not rail engineers!
So that'll be everyone and his dog then and not rail engineers!
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It doesn't include self employed pilots (so the majority of Ryanair pilots, or any other contract labour) so essentially we are looking at the median of a small proportion of UK pilots Salary.
CEO's and Bankers who rank lower, surprise surprise, it doesn't include bonuses or commission.
Load of rubbish designed for someone's agenda, only thing I would like BALPA to take from this is how many pilots are earning up to 2/3rds less than the average UK airline pilot.
CEO's and Bankers who rank lower, surprise surprise, it doesn't include bonuses or commission.
Load of rubbish designed for someone's agenda, only thing I would like BALPA to take from this is how many pilots are earning up to 2/3rds less than the average UK airline pilot.
The reference to 'Flight Engineers' should convince most that this 'report' is laughably inaccurate in all senses.
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Ha ha Ffb! No wonder you're enjoying retirement!
Sounds like a schpiel from an MPL school rather than reality!
Afterall flight mag this week says we are all doomed due to a lack of new pilots! Except for those airlines interviewed (all of them!) who claim to average 3500 applicants a throw at present!
Sounds like a schpiel from an MPL school rather than reality!
Afterall flight mag this week says we are all doomed due to a lack of new pilots! Except for those airlines interviewed (all of them!) who claim to average 3500 applicants a throw at present!
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....and just the story that any airline exec' would want to feed to the DM to nip any workforce unrest in the bud, before the negotiating season (to be jolly) gets under way....
I don't think it was fed by my airlines' executives. Otherwise our first question would be the obvious one....
I don't think it was fed by my airlines' executives. Otherwise our first question would be the obvious one....
