CTC TRI Salary
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CTC TRI Salary
Im thinking of a change of direction from airline flying, and saw a recent ad for experienced crew required to work at CTC Southampton as instructors/ examiners on the A320/330
Anyone had experience of this role or any idea of salary/conditions? Im sure the salary on offer wont match that of my current position, but sometimes theres more to life than money. Sometimes !
Im currently wide body, experienced, with EASA licence and rating.
Comments appreciated.
Anyone had experience of this role or any idea of salary/conditions? Im sure the salary on offer wont match that of my current position, but sometimes theres more to life than money. Sometimes !
Im currently wide body, experienced, with EASA licence and rating.
Comments appreciated.
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Unbelievable.
Here is a guy willing to offer his services for £250 a day to be a TRI.
And this to the company who has single handedly done more to restrict opportunity in this industry than any other. Ever.
The race to the bottom continues.
Shame on you.
Here is a guy willing to offer his services for £250 a day to be a TRI.
And this to the company who has single handedly done more to restrict opportunity in this industry than any other. Ever.
The race to the bottom continues.
Shame on you.
The freelance consultancy work was paid at around 500 pounds / day for TRE / TRI on the 737 in approx 2000 . I did it for approx 3 years off / on and then gradually gave it up on the grounds of interfering with the day job / inconvenient geographically / not worth it . The other factor ( sorry , folks ) was the ' new wave ' of TRI / E's who apparently would sell their time for the lowest undercut price on a ' pick me ' basis that the training providers lapped up . Disappointingly in contrast to the natural laws of inflationary economics the price for instructor time appears to have gone down or at least remained static. While I would not wish to endorse melodrama and state that this is a factor in declining standards within the pilot training industry it certainly doesn't help.
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£250 a day; unbelievable! I gave up about five years ago and I was then being paid £450 - £500 for a 4-hour sim slot plus hotac, travel allowance etc. I absolutely woud not consider working for £250 a day.
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Can somebody please pm contact details for such a job.
I've been with my current company for a couple of years now & have a lot of hours after myself coming through the CTC scheme.
I'm very good at all the crosswind landings & things & can do ECAM really well ! I took my folks on one of my flights & they said my landing was the best ever !!!
They're willing to help me pay for one of these TRI things now they know I'm so good & say it doesn't matter if CTC only want to pay me £50 an hour as long as I can get an iPhone 6.
(do I get more stripes though?)
I've been with my current company for a couple of years now & have a lot of hours after myself coming through the CTC scheme.
I'm very good at all the crosswind landings & things & can do ECAM really well ! I took my folks on one of my flights & they said my landing was the best ever !!!
They're willing to help me pay for one of these TRI things now they know I'm so good & say it doesn't matter if CTC only want to pay me £50 an hour as long as I can get an iPhone 6.
(do I get more stripes though?)
So let see if I have understood this....
you do 30 odd years in this industry, become a TRI/TRE at not inconsiderable pain and the most those at the top of the tree can command is 500 quid a day.....
I hope some of the kids going through CTC can work out what their long term prospects hold...
you do 30 odd years in this industry, become a TRI/TRE at not inconsiderable pain and the most those at the top of the tree can command is 500 quid a day.....
I hope some of the kids going through CTC can work out what their long term prospects hold...
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Even £500 per day seems kinda low for self employed. It's not just the 4 hours in sim but all the prep, de brief and the inevitable nit picking reports.
I would have thought that 80-100 k would have been norm for salaried position, but as someone not employed in the UK I'm probably way off the mark. Way too high knowing how UK employers don't want to reward unless it's finance.
I would have thought that 80-100 k would have been norm for salaried position, but as someone not employed in the UK I'm probably way off the mark. Way too high knowing how UK employers don't want to reward unless it's finance.
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The average rate for a continental based SFI is €500 per session: €600 for TRI/TRE. Self employed. That has been a rate for a long time. Inflation seems not to exist. There have been offers for SFI from northern & southern ATO's at €250/session + travel & basic accom'. Derisory beyond belief.
A friend in SIA is on U$600/session + travel & accom. The same offered in Hong Kong. It is the rate for instructors versus junior pilots that causes me pain. A session is 7 hours, so €70/hr. My plumber & electrician charge that. Nothing wrong with them, but it's not for weekends & night shifts, nor the experience & time taken to become TRI/TRI/SFI.
A friend in SIA is on U$600/session + travel & accom. The same offered in Hong Kong. It is the rate for instructors versus junior pilots that causes me pain. A session is 7 hours, so €70/hr. My plumber & electrician charge that. Nothing wrong with them, but it's not for weekends & night shifts, nor the experience & time taken to become TRI/TRI/SFI.
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Bottom to top!
Consultants in most professions get paid a much higher daily rate than full time employees for obvious reasons, but not for a TRE/TRI/SFI.
A TRI with an established company may earn 130k, and with all benefits and costs will cost the airline 170k. If lucky the company will get 180 days work for that and many of those days will not be training days. It is cheaper to have a core training department and pay for consultants, through an agency, as and when needed. The airline saves money, the agency gets a good cut but the agency trainer ends up with only two thirds of what should be the going rate, at best.
The agency pays the minimum it can get away with. Just under £500 per session with one agency I believe and less with many others. By offering Trainer courses the agencies then have a ready supply of trainers in addition to those topping up pensions or already trying to scrape a living from consultancy work. Many of the self selected trainers will be good but many others will show why they were not selected for training positions by their airlines.
The overall effect is that career progression within some airlines is curtailed: More and more pilots who would not normally be selected for training positions are training: Training itself becomes more by rote with the cadet who best learns the company chants and mnemonics being preferred to the one who can actually fly and the art of proper instruction being replaced by 'cheat sheet' training. ("Here is the script - just follow that.")
No blame can be attached to anyone who takes advantage of the system allowed by the regulators. (It is possible to do a Type Rating course and not see an instructor who has actually flown the Type until the final simulator check!) Only a dearth of applicants for bottom and top jobs, MPL and TRI/SFI, will change the terms and conditions. I know of many excellent recently retired training captains who would be welcomed by many training organisations but will not work for the low renumeration offered. Just like experienced first officers, they are priced out of the market.
A TRI with an established company may earn 130k, and with all benefits and costs will cost the airline 170k. If lucky the company will get 180 days work for that and many of those days will not be training days. It is cheaper to have a core training department and pay for consultants, through an agency, as and when needed. The airline saves money, the agency gets a good cut but the agency trainer ends up with only two thirds of what should be the going rate, at best.
The agency pays the minimum it can get away with. Just under £500 per session with one agency I believe and less with many others. By offering Trainer courses the agencies then have a ready supply of trainers in addition to those topping up pensions or already trying to scrape a living from consultancy work. Many of the self selected trainers will be good but many others will show why they were not selected for training positions by their airlines.
The overall effect is that career progression within some airlines is curtailed: More and more pilots who would not normally be selected for training positions are training: Training itself becomes more by rote with the cadet who best learns the company chants and mnemonics being preferred to the one who can actually fly and the art of proper instruction being replaced by 'cheat sheet' training. ("Here is the script - just follow that.")
No blame can be attached to anyone who takes advantage of the system allowed by the regulators. (It is possible to do a Type Rating course and not see an instructor who has actually flown the Type until the final simulator check!) Only a dearth of applicants for bottom and top jobs, MPL and TRI/SFI, will change the terms and conditions. I know of many excellent recently retired training captains who would be welcomed by many training organisations but will not work for the low renumeration offered. Just like experienced first officers, they are priced out of the market.
