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I have no idea what you are calculating.
40.000 eur basic per year
60 x 12 x 60 EUR per sector = 43200 EUR per year
total 83200 per year = 6933 gross per month before tax.
If you take home about 6000 you should count yourself very lucky. But I hope the tax authority won't come knocking on your door.
In the Netherlands you would need 130.000 gross a year to make a similar salary. Which happens to be the Capt salary in easyJet Amsterdam.
40.000 eur basic per year
60 x 12 x 60 EUR per sector = 43200 EUR per year
total 83200 per year = 6933 gross per month before tax.
If you take home about 6000 you should count yourself very lucky. But I hope the tax authority won't come knocking on your door.
In the Netherlands you would need 130.000 gross a year to make a similar salary. Which happens to be the Capt salary in easyJet Amsterdam.
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It is pretty obvious you have no idea what I am calculating. It was a particular example from a CPT that I know personally and professionally, with 2000 hours in the LHS. Every 1000 hours the basic salary increases by 5 percent, that's why the 40.000 x 1,05^(2) in his case. What they end up with is between 5.5K and 6K depending on the month, the amount flown, any extra sector payments, etc. It's basic arithmetic, I suppose if you would have taken the time to gather the information you would have come to the same conclusion.
The social and pension is paid in Poland, the tax in Switzerland. In my case as First Officer, I make full tax declarations every year in the Netherlands and have had zero issues with it for three years now and take home between 3K and 3.3K depending on all the variables. I don't like it either, but it seems that this is fully legal within the European union. Whether it should or should not be is a different story, but this is how it's structured. I am fully aware of what you need to earn in the Netherlands for the same net salary and it is precisely the reason why EZY AMS is totally not interesting as it would provide no improvement at all.
The social and pension is paid in Poland, the tax in Switzerland. In my case as First Officer, I make full tax declarations every year in the Netherlands and have had zero issues with it for three years now and take home between 3K and 3.3K depending on all the variables. I don't like it either, but it seems that this is fully legal within the European union. Whether it should or should not be is a different story, but this is how it's structured. I am fully aware of what you need to earn in the Netherlands for the same net salary and it is precisely the reason why EZY AMS is totally not interesting as it would provide no improvement at all.
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Yeah but you won't actually fly 720 sectors a year.... so the sector pay in my previous calc is vastly exaggerated. Lets go for the industry standard in loco of about 450 sectors a year.
So he'll make 44100 basic
450x 60 = 27000 sector
71100 a year = 5925 a month before tax.
Cut the BS, either no tax is being paid or ur friend is overstating his take-home (which happens quite a bit with pilots I have noticed)
So he'll make 44100 basic
450x 60 = 27000 sector
71100 a year = 5925 a month before tax.
Cut the BS, either no tax is being paid or ur friend is overstating his take-home (which happens quite a bit with pilots I have noticed)
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Again, it was factored for what you are saying. The highest amount before tax and social was mentioned, as was the lowest amount. So the gross numbers are correct and I have no reason to doubt that he will take home 5.5K or something similar. And mind you there are captains with a lot more hours in the LHS and a higher basic. It was also mentioned that I was calculating with the numbers the previous poster provided, and clearly not with the numbers that my mate has in his contract. So let's stop going in circles here.
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1. There is no average of 60 sectors a month!
2. I doubt average will be as high as 40 - 60 sectors a month, unless you in Gdansk
3. Average over 12 months would be 30 - 36 sectors, low and high months.
4. If you taking home 3.000 - 3.300 Euros a month FO pay, then you are not paying a Cent in taxes!
You might think you don't have any problems at present moment, but if you had some connections with various unions you would quickly find out why you are momentarily left in peace. But this will not last forever.
Mention Union in Wizz, and you will be fired out before you can even spell the word Union!
5. I did not say people in general was racist within Wizz itself. Besides the one story about the funny Indian FO on flight IX-812, who because of his funny accents was to blame for not being assertive enough, and flew the aircraft in the ground in Mangalore.
Or the SCA on OTP to TLV flight, complained that Hitler should have done a better job.
Or the CPT from Poland, who believed Sweden was a terrible place to move to, because they would take away your children and give them to gay couples.
Or the CPT who saw and FO approaching the A320, and exclaimed, but he is black!!!!
In my world that is racism, but then again I am not a great Putin fan either, so depends what flavours you prefer!
Or dark skinned pilots, being told to go back home to their own country, or being refused to rent apartment by land-lord when they saw these pilots! Or not being served drinks in the local bars! Or being refused entry to bars/clubs!
I admit the above does not represent the majority, but it does exist! And much more then it would happen in Amsterdam, Paris or London!
Sure this is normal! Good to know!
But hey, who cares, as long as we get our hours and can fly on!
I know plenty LHS guys, great guys, but on 12 month average they rarely take home more then 4500 - 5000 Euros, and that is with a dodgy taxation system, that company itself can not even explain to you when you start asking them questions.
TAXATION from Geneva: (From the horses mouth itself)
From a Swiss tax point of view the relation between Confair and WizzAir is typical for body leasing. WizzAir is considered the economic employer of Mr. X, The relation is treated as an employment because Mr. X (1) works exclusively for WizzAir, (2) is fully integrated in the organization of WizzAir, and (3) takes directions from WizzAir.
A Swiss economic employer is required to remit salary tax if the employee is resident outside of Switzerland. Normally, an employee who does not physically work in Switzerland is not taxed in Switzerland.
2. I doubt average will be as high as 40 - 60 sectors a month, unless you in Gdansk
3. Average over 12 months would be 30 - 36 sectors, low and high months.
4. If you taking home 3.000 - 3.300 Euros a month FO pay, then you are not paying a Cent in taxes!
You might think you don't have any problems at present moment, but if you had some connections with various unions you would quickly find out why you are momentarily left in peace. But this will not last forever.
Mention Union in Wizz, and you will be fired out before you can even spell the word Union!
5. I did not say people in general was racist within Wizz itself. Besides the one story about the funny Indian FO on flight IX-812, who because of his funny accents was to blame for not being assertive enough, and flew the aircraft in the ground in Mangalore.
Or the SCA on OTP to TLV flight, complained that Hitler should have done a better job.
Or the CPT from Poland, who believed Sweden was a terrible place to move to, because they would take away your children and give them to gay couples.
Or the CPT who saw and FO approaching the A320, and exclaimed, but he is black!!!!
In my world that is racism, but then again I am not a great Putin fan either, so depends what flavours you prefer!
Or dark skinned pilots, being told to go back home to their own country, or being refused to rent apartment by land-lord when they saw these pilots! Or not being served drinks in the local bars! Or being refused entry to bars/clubs!
I admit the above does not represent the majority, but it does exist! And much more then it would happen in Amsterdam, Paris or London!
Sure this is normal! Good to know!
But hey, who cares, as long as we get our hours and can fly on!
I know plenty LHS guys, great guys, but on 12 month average they rarely take home more then 4500 - 5000 Euros, and that is with a dodgy taxation system, that company itself can not even explain to you when you start asking them questions.
TAXATION from Geneva: (From the horses mouth itself)
From a Swiss tax point of view the relation between Confair and WizzAir is typical for body leasing. WizzAir is considered the economic employer of Mr. X, The relation is treated as an employment because Mr. X (1) works exclusively for WizzAir, (2) is fully integrated in the organization of WizzAir, and (3) takes directions from WizzAir.
A Swiss economic employer is required to remit salary tax if the employee is resident outside of Switzerland. Normally, an employee who does not physically work in Switzerland is not taxed in Switzerland.
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Oh come on drfaust stop the crap.
Lets take a 10k hrs in LHS captain then, cause they are clearly the majority of captains in Wizz
Basic 65155
Sector (450 a year) 27000
total 92155
7679 per month
Still a challenge to take home 6k on that salary in most normal tax regimes.
Basic arithmetics and basic social security and income taxes don't match your story faust.
Lets take a 10k hrs in LHS captain then, cause they are clearly the majority of captains in Wizz
Basic 65155
Sector (450 a year) 27000
total 92155
7679 per month
Still a challenge to take home 6k on that salary in most normal tax regimes.
Basic arithmetics and basic social security and income taxes don't match your story faust.
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This is all very interesting but the fact remains that at a recruitment day recently there were 100's pilots queuing through the hotel. This doesn't include the vast number joining from Lot / Eurolot just for the Polish bases alone nor the online applications.
There are lots of (mainly expats) leaving for other operators that is causing some problems for next year's staffing levels, so if you don't like the terms that Wizz offer then don't join, but if you do then go in with your eyes open.
You'll fly to max all year round (myself 892 hours: 510 sectors), rostering and scheduling will take precedence over your commuting, especially when there's a shortage of crew, the salary is a lot less than other operators, and some pilots have been told to sign a new (agency) contract with worse terms or else...
But, if you don't have a job, or want a short time to upgrade, or want to be based in your home country then Wizz are still a very good option.
There are lots of (mainly expats) leaving for other operators that is causing some problems for next year's staffing levels, so if you don't like the terms that Wizz offer then don't join, but if you do then go in with your eyes open.
You'll fly to max all year round (myself 892 hours: 510 sectors), rostering and scheduling will take precedence over your commuting, especially when there's a shortage of crew, the salary is a lot less than other operators, and some pilots have been told to sign a new (agency) contract with worse terms or else...
But, if you don't have a job, or want a short time to upgrade, or want to be based in your home country then Wizz are still a very good option.
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BusAirDriver!
If the money is bad, racism and antisemitism is all around, management is oppressive Soviet style, the pilots are not really pleasant, and if you mention UNION, you will be fired, I just have one question to ask:
Why are you still working here? Give me one reason, and I will be the happiest person on the face of the Earth.
If the money is bad, racism and antisemitism is all around, management is oppressive Soviet style, the pilots are not really pleasant, and if you mention UNION, you will be fired, I just have one question to ask:
Why are you still working here? Give me one reason, and I will be the happiest person on the face of the Earth.
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About the salary:
Either you fly a lot of short sectors, or longer ones which pay more. The compensation is OK for captains, not so for the FOs. (20% extra for sectors above 2hrs, 40% for 2:30+ for PIC, 10 and 20 for the FOs) The average of my last 5 months were around 6200 EUR after taxes, with more than 2000hrs WZZ PIC time.
Nobody is forced on a Confair contract, but almost everybody chooses it as apart from the income tax, you pay all the rest wherever you want. (which is deducted in case of local contract)
I had a selection scheduled for Easy in AMS, but after a quick calculation of the salary, I declined, as it would have been more or less the same...
Either you fly a lot of short sectors, or longer ones which pay more. The compensation is OK for captains, not so for the FOs. (20% extra for sectors above 2hrs, 40% for 2:30+ for PIC, 10 and 20 for the FOs) The average of my last 5 months were around 6200 EUR after taxes, with more than 2000hrs WZZ PIC time.
Nobody is forced on a Confair contract, but almost everybody chooses it as apart from the income tax, you pay all the rest wherever you want. (which is deducted in case of local contract)
I had a selection scheduled for Easy in AMS, but after a quick calculation of the salary, I declined, as it would have been more or less the same...
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seventhreedriver;
Ok you claim you have 6200 Euros net after tax, with 2000 hours PIC Wizz.
So this means base pay 44.000 Euros a year, and lets use 72 Euros a sector with the 20%. And lets assume around 20 % in taxes. So taxes would be around 1400 Euros a month. So this means before tax you get around 7600 Euros. Base pay is 3666 Euros a month,
That gives you an average of 55 sectors a month at the medium range sectors.
Doing 55 sectors on average is pretty impressive, 20% in tax is a very low tax rate, and is realistic.
To do 55 sectors a month you would not be mostly on the short sector pay of 60 Euro per sector. That would be 65 short sectors a month to make 6200 Euros a month after tax.
Of course you could be one of the new DEC that they promised 8500 Euros a month.
Ok you claim you have 6200 Euros net after tax, with 2000 hours PIC Wizz.
So this means base pay 44.000 Euros a year, and lets use 72 Euros a sector with the 20%. And lets assume around 20 % in taxes. So taxes would be around 1400 Euros a month. So this means before tax you get around 7600 Euros. Base pay is 3666 Euros a month,
That gives you an average of 55 sectors a month at the medium range sectors.
Doing 55 sectors on average is pretty impressive, 20% in tax is a very low tax rate, and is realistic.
To do 55 sectors a month you would not be mostly on the short sector pay of 60 Euro per sector. That would be 65 short sectors a month to make 6200 Euros a month after tax.
Of course you could be one of the new DEC that they promised 8500 Euros a month.
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On a local contract, which means not confair, you are liable for tax in Switzerland and social premiums and pension in the local country (in the case of my examples: Poland). This means that as a CPT with 2K hours in the LHS you can take home 5.5-6K on average. If you reject the construction of income tax paid 'at source' (which is very low if you take into consideration how income tax is dealt with in CH), then it makes no sense to discuss any further as we would be debating different things. My social premiums and pension are a higher percentage of my gross salary than my income tax. That's how the bloody thing is set up and the tax man in the Netherlands sure has no problem with it considering the double taxation treaty that NL and CH enjoy. Should this tax dodging and social dumping be allowed for companies to do? No in my opinion, no way. But the fact is that the way it is at the moment, the only country that has protested such employment practices has been France with the case of FR cabin crew (IIRC) being based in France whilst on Irish employment contracts.
You have captains coming on here telling you what they are making on a local contract. What more do you want, really?
You have captains coming on here telling you what they are making on a local contract. What more do you want, really?
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You are liable to taxes to the country you have residency!
I have that in writing from Swiss tax authorities, copied in a previous post.
Of course what you decide to do and believe in is up to each person. If it was so easy, was does not BA, Lufthansa and all the others do the same?
I have that in writing from Swiss tax authorities, copied in a previous post.
Of course what you decide to do and believe in is up to each person. If it was so easy, was does not BA, Lufthansa and all the others do the same?
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Each and every country has different taxation. One says you have to only pay taxes as aircrew in the country where the company is based (based meaning all business decision is made, which in case of WZZ is Switzerland). Others base the taxes on residency. A good accountant is a must.
As for my taxes, as I am married, I have to pay around 8% income tax.
The social security contribution in the EU is based on the residency. It also depends on the country, how it is calculated, and how much should be paid.
As for my taxes, as I am married, I have to pay around 8% income tax.
The social security contribution in the EU is based on the residency. It also depends on the country, how it is calculated, and how much should be paid.
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737Jock:
I think his residence is Poland, which, like Hungary, exempts the income taxed in Switzerland from further taxation.
Netherlands / Switzerland different story = tax at source is 0% and all must be paid in Holland.
Local contract or Confair is not up to the employee - it is decided by the company in most cases depending on your base. In rare cases you have a choice.
Better read the NL-CH dta again then faust. Bet you don't have a single tax declaration definitive.
Netherlands / Switzerland different story = tax at source is 0% and all must be paid in Holland.
Local contract or Confair is not up to the employee - it is decided by the company in most cases depending on your base. In rare cases you have a choice.