easyJet DEC Gatwick?
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easyJet DEC Gatwick?
I read a rumour on another BB that easyJet were going to recruit direct entry Captains. Found this on their jobs page..
The rumour further mentioned some recruitment at LGW - fishing for Monarch crews?
Future Captains Wanted
As the 4th largest airline in Europe, we're growing at real pace and there are no signs of us slowing down. In fact, with our 3 brand new Crew Bases in Amsterdam, Naples and Porto, these are exciting times for us. Even better opportunities for you! We're looking for talented, experienced and ambitious type-rated Captains and
Co-pilots, who have integrity, energy and a genuine
passion for flying, to join us and be part of the next
generation of easyJet pilots.
As the 4th largest airline in Europe, we're growing at real pace and there are no signs of us slowing down. In fact, with our 3 brand new Crew Bases in Amsterdam, Naples and Porto, these are exciting times for us. Even better opportunities for you! We're looking for talented, experienced and ambitious type-rated Captains and
Co-pilots, who have integrity, energy and a genuine
passion for flying, to join us and be part of the next
generation of easyJet pilots.
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EZY has always been looking for captains and FOs for positions of "future captains".
-->> right seat waiting for all of them, of course for a length depending on experience.
-->> right seat waiting for all of them, of course for a length depending on experience.
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There may be some DEC positions in the new crew bases and perhaps LGW due to training department capacity issues. Monarch are not being targeted though it may be a very fortunate coincidence that whilst M are shedding some pilots easy are looking.
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They are! We received Monarch titled notice advising of positions with email to send CV too. All that needs to be done is see if you pass the ridiculous tests, the CV with why you want to work for them, pass the group hug exercise and move to LGW....the Monarch guys must be falling over themselves to apply
I wouldn't get too worried about these Monarch Scabs nicking your jobs lads. A few want to get out but I think you are miss reading the situation with us at the moment. If you are a recent Cpt that is about to be put in the RHS then you don't have the LHS time to apply, so that's them out. Then you move up to the next lot of Cpts that have kept their command. Most have been with Monarch over 8 years and the new deal actualy gives them a pay rise so they are going to stay and see what happens. Then you get into the more senior Cpts who are taking a pay cut. However the pay cut is for a PYW contract and most of them were part time. They will either work more or take the hit because they are financially ok by now and they certainly whont move to an airline that will work them into an early grave. Then the rest are 53 plus when the pension makes their minds up for them. These poor buggers need to make big bucks and quick to get the pension up or pay the house off. Easy, Monarch, Jet 2 couldnt help them in a month of Sundays. If they go it will be to the sand pit or China for obvious reasons. To conclude, I recon about 10-20 of the Cpts that hold onto their commands may apply and a fraction may move if given the job so this conspiracy theory that 100's will flock is utter 
. If Monarch goes completely down the pan then absolutely, they will apply but at the moment as hard as you may find it to believe if you asked the 8 year Cpt who will move on to circa 93k for part year working if they are applying for Easy they will laugh and go no thanks.....
Ps Having said all of that I personally think they would be mad not to go for it. I have zero faith in us staying around for the future and I believe you should get out and cover all bases. Some of our colleages have a belief it will all be ok and the company will grow......I hope it does for them but I will not be around to see it.....
I wouldn't get too worried about these Monarch Scabs nicking your jobs lads. A few want to get out but I think you are miss reading the situation with us at the moment. If you are a recent Cpt that is about to be put in the RHS then you don't have the LHS time to apply, so that's them out. Then you move up to the next lot of Cpts that have kept their command. Most have been with Monarch over 8 years and the new deal actualy gives them a pay rise so they are going to stay and see what happens. Then you get into the more senior Cpts who are taking a pay cut. However the pay cut is for a PYW contract and most of them were part time. They will either work more or take the hit because they are financially ok by now and they certainly whont move to an airline that will work them into an early grave. Then the rest are 53 plus when the pension makes their minds up for them. These poor buggers need to make big bucks and quick to get the pension up or pay the house off. Easy, Monarch, Jet 2 couldnt help them in a month of Sundays. If they go it will be to the sand pit or China for obvious reasons. To conclude, I recon about 10-20 of the Cpts that hold onto their commands may apply and a fraction may move if given the job so this conspiracy theory that 100's will flock is utter . If Monarch goes completely down the pan then absolutely, they will apply but at the moment as hard as you may find it to believe if you asked the 8 year Cpt who will move on to circa 93k for part year working if they are applying for Easy they will laugh and go no thanks.....Ps Having said all of that I personally think they would be mad not to go for it. I have zero faith in us staying around for the future and I believe you should get out and cover all bases. Some of our colleages have a belief it will all be ok and the company will grow......I hope it does for them but I will not be around to see it.....
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MESH "The ridiculous tests" as you put it are to weed out those who would not fit in to the company culture. You should remember that DEC is a contentious issue and those coming in should have clear skills and attitudes that will allow them to be credible DEC candidates both for our robust training system and in the eyes of our FO cadre particularly those who feel they have been disadvantaged. Unlike M we operate the Airbus in a much more level manner with our SOPs giving PF much more responsibility, particularly on the ground (obviously still under the ultimate discretion of the Captain). Any DEC will have to accept this SOP, not so easy to do for some characters.
Numerically the numbers required are not that many so we will be very picky. As for your rather confusing post it seems to initially say that there will not be that many interested because of the poor T & Cs then conclude with stating those with the opportunity to move would be mad not to.
In any case best wishes to all at Monarch, I sincerely hope their new strategy will work and they continue to be a worthy competitor.
To those thinking of applying to easyJet in either seat I am sure you will find a warm welcome for you wherever you are based.
Numerically the numbers required are not that many so we will be very picky. As for your rather confusing post it seems to initially say that there will not be that many interested because of the poor T & Cs then conclude with stating those with the opportunity to move would be mad not to.
In any case best wishes to all at Monarch, I sincerely hope their new strategy will work and they continue to be a worthy competitor.
To those thinking of applying to easyJet in either seat I am sure you will find a warm welcome for you wherever you are based.
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Great to see easyJet respecting experience & looking to diversify its Command intake , that's a breath of fresh air in an industry that has recently always looked for the cheapest options , well done easy management.
I have a couple of friends looking from Monarch to easy at the moment , very keen on looking to a stable company (as stable as you can get in this industry) , with good remuneration & great opportunities throughout Europe . Looks like Manchester's become an option for them too which is great news !
Their point of view is one of taking their future into their own hands rather than letting asset strippers squeeze them dry which I understand.
Once again , good luck to all !
I have a couple of friends looking from Monarch to easy at the moment , very keen on looking to a stable company (as stable as you can get in this industry) , with good remuneration & great opportunities throughout Europe . Looks like Manchester's become an option for them too which is great news !
Their point of view is one of taking their future into their own hands rather than letting asset strippers squeeze them dry which I understand.
Once again , good luck to all !
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Pitot, please don't put words into my mouth that fit with your own beliefs. Lets go through your points,
"MESH "The ridiculous tests" as you put it are to weed out those who would not fit in to the company culture"
How does steering yourself through a hole in a tube or stating where an NDB beacon is in relation to you let you know how a candidate will fit into company culture?
"You should remember that DEC is a contentious issue and those coming in should have clear skills and attitudes that will allow them to be credible DEC candidates both for our robust training system and in the eyes of our FO cadre particularly those who feel they have been disadvantaged"
I agree they should be credible candidates! Did I say otherwise? Are you saying Monarch captains whon't be? Or are you saying that we don't have a robust training system?
"Unlike M we operate the Airbus in a much more level manner with our SOPs giving PF much more responsibility, particularly on the ground (obviously still under the ultimate discretion of the Captain). Any DEC will have to accept this SOP, not so easy to do for some characters"
So now you are inferring that Monarch pilots that apply will have a problem with letting you taxi or start an engine, is that right? I happen to know that most will love the idea of levelling the amount of all so important taxying and FADEC operation up.
"Numerically the numbers required are not that many so we will be very picky"
And so you should be, did I say differently? Did I say standards should be lowered to let us in?
"As for your rather confusing post it seems to initially say that there will not be that many interested because of the poor T & Cs then conclude with stating those with the opportunity to move would be mad not to"
Don't be confused Pitot, you are right I did say not many will not be interested due to the T's and C's on offer. Poor was your word....all I meant was they certainly aren't any better or by enough to make a shed load of 8 year captains run for Easy. I make reference to "not applying would be mad" in that I don't believe we will be around much longer. To not apply everywhere would be foolish. So just in case of further confusion...some whon't apply because the new package at M is not much different to E, however I think they should just in case we go bust....sorry but can't think of any easier way to put it...pardon the pun.....
" In any case best wishes to all at Monarch, I sincerely hope their new strategy will work and they continue to be a worthy competitor.
To those thinking of applying to easyJet in either seat I am sure you will find a warm welcome for you wherever you are based"
Pitot, I don't know you but I'm sure some do on this forum. I would say though that you come over as an Easy FO that has had a no for some reason on the LHS front. If others get it then you should look at why, have a good look in the mirror and work to be more like them, its not hard. We have heard about some FO's leaving Easy with a bad attitude to come join M...I guess some stayed!
"MESH "The ridiculous tests" as you put it are to weed out those who would not fit in to the company culture"
How does steering yourself through a hole in a tube or stating where an NDB beacon is in relation to you let you know how a candidate will fit into company culture?
"You should remember that DEC is a contentious issue and those coming in should have clear skills and attitudes that will allow them to be credible DEC candidates both for our robust training system and in the eyes of our FO cadre particularly those who feel they have been disadvantaged"
I agree they should be credible candidates! Did I say otherwise? Are you saying Monarch captains whon't be? Or are you saying that we don't have a robust training system?
"Unlike M we operate the Airbus in a much more level manner with our SOPs giving PF much more responsibility, particularly on the ground (obviously still under the ultimate discretion of the Captain). Any DEC will have to accept this SOP, not so easy to do for some characters"
So now you are inferring that Monarch pilots that apply will have a problem with letting you taxi or start an engine, is that right? I happen to know that most will love the idea of levelling the amount of all so important taxying and FADEC operation up.
"Numerically the numbers required are not that many so we will be very picky"
And so you should be, did I say differently? Did I say standards should be lowered to let us in?
"As for your rather confusing post it seems to initially say that there will not be that many interested because of the poor T & Cs then conclude with stating those with the opportunity to move would be mad not to"
Don't be confused Pitot, you are right I did say not many will not be interested due to the T's and C's on offer. Poor was your word....all I meant was they certainly aren't any better or by enough to make a shed load of 8 year captains run for Easy. I make reference to "not applying would be mad" in that I don't believe we will be around much longer. To not apply everywhere would be foolish. So just in case of further confusion...some whon't apply because the new package at M is not much different to E, however I think they should just in case we go bust....sorry but can't think of any easier way to put it...pardon the pun.....
" In any case best wishes to all at Monarch, I sincerely hope their new strategy will work and they continue to be a worthy competitor.
To those thinking of applying to easyJet in either seat I am sure you will find a warm welcome for you wherever you are based"
Pitot, I don't know you but I'm sure some do on this forum. I would say though that you come over as an Easy FO that has had a no for some reason on the LHS front. If others get it then you should look at why, have a good look in the mirror and work to be more like them, its not hard. We have heard about some FO's leaving Easy with a bad attitude to come join M...I guess some stayed!
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ps, Pitot...only joking on the last bits...good luck at Easy. All joking apart I think I know where I would rather be at the moment The guys you get over if any will be a great bunch with a strong work ethic and skills set...our loss your gain, good luck
The guys you get over if any will be a great bunch with a strong work ethic and skills set...our loss your gain, good luck
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One has passed these ridiculous tests twice now, only to have applications binned for some other reason two weeks later. What exactly is wrong with my application they won't say. I'm an ICAO English Level 6 speaking born and raised Brit who meets all minimum hour, currency and other application requirements.
I live within 1 hour of 3 of the biggest bases but cannot even get an interview whilst French and Italian ex-colleagues with the same experience and in many cases shoddy training records continue to get invites. EZ recruitment is illogical and a complete time waste for most people. Either that or they discriminate based on a criteria they are unable to share.
I live within 1 hour of 3 of the biggest bases but cannot even get an interview whilst French and Italian ex-colleagues with the same experience and in many cases shoddy training records continue to get invites. EZ recruitment is illogical and a complete time waste for most people. Either that or they discriminate based on a criteria they are unable to share.
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mesh your assessment of my position in the company could not be more wrong. If my comments came across in any way as a criticism of Monarchs standards then I apologize - I did not intend my comments to be interpreted that way.
Having sat through assessing countless group exercises and interviews I can tell you that it becomes very clear, very quickly if a candidate will be an asset or liability. Remember easyJet has conducted these same exercises for the 15 years I have been in the company with little change to the content but with significant analysis of the results. That equates to thousands of candidates. They are not done in isolation. We close the loop between candidates scores at interview and how they get on in training.
It is regrettable if you have such a low opinion of easyJet, I hope that the colleagues who do join us from M will feedback to you we are not that bad. We are all after the same thing regardless of what logo is on the tail. A safe, secure and rewarding career until retirement.
Anyway I don't wish this to spiral into a personal slagging contest, I am sure if we met over a pint we would have much in common.
Having sat through assessing countless group exercises and interviews I can tell you that it becomes very clear, very quickly if a candidate will be an asset or liability. Remember easyJet has conducted these same exercises for the 15 years I have been in the company with little change to the content but with significant analysis of the results. That equates to thousands of candidates. They are not done in isolation. We close the loop between candidates scores at interview and how they get on in training.
It is regrettable if you have such a low opinion of easyJet, I hope that the colleagues who do join us from M will feedback to you we are not that bad. We are all after the same thing regardless of what logo is on the tail. A safe, secure and rewarding career until retirement.
Anyway I don't wish this to spiral into a personal slagging contest, I am sure if we met over a pint we would have much in common.
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Forget the bizarre recruitment hoops at easyJet for a moment - most people stagger through them if they are current airline pilots somewhere else. Monarch is full of high quality pilots and no one is disputing that. This is a dark time for those Monarch pilots - be they Captains for FOs. Quite understandably they may look at easyJet as a possible option to secure their future, as indeed it is. Nonetheless, they will also understand that given the fact easyJet have many hundreds of qualified FOs awaiting their turn at the Command Course, the arrival of DECs will not be welcomed. Nor would they be welcomed at BA, Virgin, Thomson or indeed Monarch either. There is a lot easyJet can get away with in Holland because there is no union presence (yet!) to oppose them. However, BALPA is the main game in town within the UK and I do not believe they will sit idly by and watch their own members be stuffed in such circumstances. Therefore this will turn into an almighty fracas, and it is one of the few occasions at easyJet that I can see a ballot for industrial action being successful, if push came to shove. EasyJet can interview anyone it wants for any job - employing them is something else.
Another thing worth bearing in mind is that last year easyJet offered jobs to numerous pilots and then rescinded those offers in favour of employing 155 hour cadets from Oxford and CTC. They did so without awkwardness or embarrassment and would do so again. Therefore, until you have a letter with a start date in your hand, you have absolutely nothing. This is a hard-nosed world and do not be fooled otherwise.
Another thing worth bearing in mind is that last year easyJet offered jobs to numerous pilots and then rescinded those offers in favour of employing 155 hour cadets from Oxford and CTC. They did so without awkwardness or embarrassment and would do so again. Therefore, until you have a letter with a start date in your hand, you have absolutely nothing. This is a hard-nosed world and do not be fooled otherwise.
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However, BALPA is the main game in town within the UK and I do not believe they will sit idly by and watch their own members be stuffed in such circumstances.
easyJet offered jobs to numorous pilots then rescinded these offers in favour of employing 155 hour cadets...
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EZY is BALPA, but so is MON, so while FOs at EZY might complain to BALPA about direct entry commands, BALPA would also have an obligation to help MON pilots find new jobs. I think you'll find that BALPA will duck the issue completely and say it is a decision for EZY management who they employ and in what position. BALPA is a paper tiger anyway, and has sold out EZY FOs in the past.
As for the selection system, it was always a mess. Let's not pretend that EZY are exceptional. They're generally very good, but they are an extremely arrogant company with just such a culture displayed by a good portion of the crews. Other operators from EZY bases will be quite familiar with the EZY strut, as if they own the airport, and how often they cause go arounds by blocking runways, entering without being ready. That is common, but I hasten to add not uniform - there are still many crew there who do not buy into the whole "orange" claptrap, with a little more self respect than to believe the company propaganda, but the attitude is more widespread there than any other company I have witnessed. Their selection system is just another manifestation of that arrogance.
As for the selection system, it was always a mess. Let's not pretend that EZY are exceptional. They're generally very good, but they are an extremely arrogant company with just such a culture displayed by a good portion of the crews. Other operators from EZY bases will be quite familiar with the EZY strut, as if they own the airport, and how often they cause go arounds by blocking runways, entering without being ready. That is common, but I hasten to add not uniform - there are still many crew there who do not buy into the whole "orange" claptrap, with a little more self respect than to believe the company propaganda, but the attitude is more widespread there than any other company I have witnessed. Their selection system is just another manifestation of that arrogance.
The orange claptrap is indeed claptrap - good operators generally but the company culture runs in a parallel universe to the pilot group - most pilots can see through it though - the 'orange concept ' is a good source of comedy and only the very naive buy into it.
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They're generally very good, but they are an extremely arrogant company with just such a culture displayed by a good portion of the crews. Other operators from EZY bases will be quite familiar with the EZY strut, as if they own the airport, and how often they cause go arounds by blocking runways, entering without being ready. That is common
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How silly of me to criticise EZY. Everyone who works for them knows full well they're perfect...
I quite clearly stated that a lot of their people are not subscribers to the managerially instigate company culture of arrogance, but that unfortunately quite a few are. My point is that the culture and management are arrogant, not everyone in the company, and this arrogance is what brings about such overzealous recruitment procedures. Five years of working for them gives me plenty of inside knowledge of the company's manner.
I quite clearly stated that a lot of their people are not subscribers to the managerially instigate company culture of arrogance, but that unfortunately quite a few are. My point is that the culture and management are arrogant, not everyone in the company, and this arrogance is what brings about such overzealous recruitment procedures. Five years of working for them gives me plenty of inside knowledge of the company's manner.
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With regard to jumping through the hoops. Tough titty if you fail the computerized tests. Who gives a whether the posters on this forum feel that it is unfair, discriminatory and/or irrelevant. The fact of the matter is -"what it is it is". A low cost company cannot afford the time and money for a comfortable fireside chat with every prospective employee. Followed by detailed feedback if unsuccessful.
If some Monarch people are successful and join as DEC well done, welcome. I am sure the incumbent easy Captains at LGW will appreciate the numbers being bolstered.
CTC/Oxford do all the vetting/hiring for our army of orange cadets. HR just pick up the bat phone and order the required number ( plagiarized from other poster )
It is a numbers game. You want respect get a dog.
whether the posters on this forum feel that it is unfair, discriminatory and/or irrelevant. The fact of the matter is -"what it is it is". A low cost company cannot afford the time and money for a comfortable fireside chat with every prospective employee. Followed by detailed feedback if unsuccessful.If some Monarch people are successful and join as DEC well done, welcome. I am sure the incumbent easy Captains at LGW will appreciate the numbers being bolstered.
CTC/Oxford do all the vetting/hiring for our army of orange cadets. HR just pick up the bat phone and order the required number ( plagiarized from other poster )
It is a numbers game. You want respect get a dog.