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Ryanair, more demand for pilots?

Old 9th Sep 2014, 17:14
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Black Knat... The only Virgin drivers to go to Ryanair, were those who were forced to take a years' sabbatical. As soon as they could return, they did! Even to swap back to RHS and take a pay cut. Nuff said... In my own humble opinion of course!
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 17:47
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Ryanair, more demand for pilots?

Can anyone hazard a guess to how many pilots have fled the nazi organisation in the last 12 months? Me being one of them!!
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 18:52
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Many hundreds, Galway. As for the company being on the turn, I have yet to see any evidence of it at all. Many get called every week asking if we will work days off and standbys are rostered mainly when you run out of hours. Most people I have asked still want out, and the only things stemning the flow are the 5/4 pattern and the fact that a lot of the old hands are near their families. If they start relocating the old hands to shore up half crewed bases, the resignation rate will probably further increase.
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 19:12
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I predict nothing will stop the growth of RYR until they run short of captains and or/trainers. There are still heaps of doe-eyed, naive wannabees who will chop up their grandmothers to get a job in the RHS. The terms offered to work for the heathens in the sandpit or the inscrutable in the Orient are still not enough to attract sufficient numbers to cause any damage. The European market, excluding the LoCo market is still pretty flat. So we can shout all want, there won't sufficient movement in the near future to cause sleepless nights for the almighty MOL. His biggest problem will be lack of passengers (and profitability), not a shortage of pilots.
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 19:27
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Pilt, the majority have been hitting their legal maximums or near to them for months now, FOs this summer too, not just capts. They are very short of crew and are going to need a quiet winter schedule to spread the remaining hours over the whole of the winter. When you frequently get calls asking you to work a day off because there is not a single pilot on sby in STN, LTN, BHX and EMA combined, then you know the wheels are coming off...
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 19:38
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I believe you - but it's not yet hurting enough. When the press start to run stories about cancelled flights or tired crews make public mistakes then things start unraveling. If MOL can make it through the next two months he can relax - but he appears to be saved every winter.
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 19:40
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Recent cadet FO sim assessments have now been deferred indefinitely with applicants being sent to a hold pool.
The recruitment effort is to concentrate on DECs.*

* Source : CAE

Sorry lads.....
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 20:15
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I will believe it when I see it SID PLATE, the profit to be made on the cadets type rating is huge for Ryan, also there are huge amounts of assessments going on in Dublin for cadets at the moment.
Maybe a pool until the busy summer period is over. I cant imagine them wanting to pay experienced FOs and their wages in comparison to cheaper cadet wages. Just my honest opinion.

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Good luck to those flying for them...

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Old 10th Sep 2014, 00:06
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But of FO's do not want to upgrade they need DEC's to fill the left seats to keep the fleet flying. As the sim can only be used for one purpose in each session... cadets may have to wait until LHS is sorted out.

Some signs of improvements are visible, but some of these small steps not generally regarded by many as improvements but only by some. They also are not having the effect of the way forward the company would like to have seen.

Next options available in short term are DEC's. When that has been exploited the only way to show you mean better staffing levels and retention is to put the ££/€€ where the mouth is, to correct the imbalance created in the last decade by reduced pay in comparison to competition airlines who got for instance inflation correction (at least) top their salary earned. So simply improve these financial conditions to existing crews so they won't want to leave and retain them to train the next cadets.
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I doubt many Pilots leave Ryanair because of the money. Whichever contract you're on, it's not that bad. Sure, they are way behind the competition now, especially in terms of basic salary, but rest assured that it is down to things such as treating their workforce with contempt, and a lack of professional/human respect, that make most Pilots & Cabin Crew leave. There is no fair and transparent basing policy, and annual leave, or should I say, "days of unavailability" allocation is a joke. The much revered 5/4 fixed pattern is good, if you're in the right base. Otherwise you will soon find yourself shattered, commuting during your own days off, in great discomfort, around their network of 67 bases, in uniform (which you have paid for), being treated like a second class citizen, by some Nazi-style cabin chief.

Their arrogance and stupidity is breath-taking, and it has been a pleasure to watch them struggling to run their 2014 summer schedule, and even more heartening to hear how much they are spending each day on wet leasing. Sadly, their hard nosed, dictatorial, hatchet men at the top, will simply not change their ways, and that is the problem.

All in my own humble opinion of course.
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Old 10th Sep 2014, 08:09
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Money on the old contracts is OK - not great for the work rate, but not a cause of unrest. It is the culture that is the problem, exacerbated by exhaustion, even on the 5/4 pattern. Any company which makes such a big deal about their rosters being "NASA approved" and how they are fatigue proof is clearly aware of a problem and is shoving blame onto the pilots, just like the pilots are blamed for every other issue (medical emergency and return to dep arpt, crew blamed for overnighting because the ground crew went off shift - ACARS would have allowed co-ordination with OPS, but no, publicly blame the pilots for making a decision without being able to ascertain all the commercial information and write a threatening memo in the intranet about it). People are getting sick of the utter lack of investment in basic systems by the company and carrying the can when it so frequently goes wrong, and are sick of bullying and belligerent management.
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Old 11th Sep 2014, 22:28
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Ryanair, more demand for pilots?

Guys this thread has gone off track. A buddy of mine left FR in Jan of this year. He's looking to go back from another 73 UK company. I suggested that even though FR's policy is a no return policy, but given FR's situation re pilots. I think they'll take him back! Thoughts?
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 00:18
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He has presently a NO.
But one can only get a YES if asking.
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 00:42
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I'd say they would love to have a couple of people return to the fold. It would let them crow over how good it was in RYR .
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 03:16
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Balls out states:
I've never heard of any pilot interviews at STN before
. Perhaps FR MGT forgot to keep you in the loop on their schedule and locations..

Two friends interviewed at EGSS three weeks ago.
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 04:46
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I was vey surprised considering what I understand the current situation at Ryanair to be but a friend of mine asked to come back to Ryanair, the answer was " we do not take people back'.

I don't know if it was just him but he was an experienced 737-800 captain.
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 05:47
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Greetings all...
don't jump down my throat but...I have this urge to move to Europe/UK and fly Ryanair and follow my passion on off day and that is to cycle...yes..no??
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 09:55
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Ryanair, more demand for pilots?

Fly RYR? Buy a ticket! And yes, they transport bicycles as well😂
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I was vey surprised considering what I understand the current situation at Ryanair to be but a friend of mine asked to come back to Ryanair, the answer was " we do not take people back'.

I don't know if it was just him but he was an experienced 737-800 captain.
@kungfu panda From my understanding this very much used to be the case.
Tunes seem to have changed amid panic however they are asking a lot of people to come back. I even know of one gent who rang up asking! madness!

Having left within the last year I (and others) received a call from HR asking:
- where we went
- if are we happy (straight away asked about salary and then onto conditions)
- what do they need to change in ryanair to keep people

Her hilarious instant reply to what needed to change before I had a chance to speak was "is it the treatment by management?". Think she had been making a few calls that day by the sounds of it.

Queried this surprisingly nice (must be new I said. She told me she was) lady why they were ringing me asking this and she flat out admitted it was to find out why so many people were leaving and they need to fix it. Openly told her everything they needed to fix. 20min phone call.

Wouldn't give me a number for amount that have fled because she claimed she didn't know but that there was "a team assigned" to this investigation task working backwards through those that had left. However when I left there were 300 working their notice, averaging about 100 leaving per month, and from inside from a few mates I've heard 700 have left in the last rolling year. Unconfirmed of course but everything is there isn't it.

The only worrying thing about all of this is 700 "cadets" in 2014 and 850 in 2015 from what I've heard. And the people returning. I'm sorry but while 5/4 is great it's not worth it for what you put up with. And anyone who has left should know that. Look at the amount who have left and most people who aren't on one of the old good contracts are looking at any opportunity to get out.

Leopard. Spots. Etc.
Don't get absorbed by the hype.
Once they're over this temporary crewing hurdle it'll be back to the same old O'Leary fueled crap.
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