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Old 21st Mar 2017, 09:45   #3521 (permalink)
 
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Yep I did scratch my head a bit but seeing as SH isn't my aisle........perhaps a better indication is what's CAP looking like at the moment.

''Twas always the choice: sit on a BL with relatively little choice, wth TASS but perhaps more time at home, or try for a Tripline, knowing you'll probably have more choice possibly more predictability but also fly more hours.....

Anyhow with JSS is this all going to be moot?
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 14:38   #3522 (permalink)
 
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100% under 600 hours on shorthaul in the last year, March to March. I've double checked in the logbook. Obviously with the caveats that I mentioned. Mix of triplines, blind lines and reserve.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 15:53   #3523 (permalink)
 
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Yep I did scratch my head a bit but seeing as SH isn't my aisle........perhaps a better indication is what's CAP looking like at the moment.

''Twas always the choice: sit on a BL with relatively little choice, wth TASS but perhaps more time at home, or try for a Tripline, knowing you'll probably have more choice possibly more predictability but also fly more hours.....

Anyhow with JSS is this all going to be moot?
I hope that one day I'll get a call with a start date, and I'll get to find out just what on earth you are talking about!!
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 16:29   #3524 (permalink)
 
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100% under 600 hours on shorthaul in the last year, March to March. I've double checked in the logbook. Obviously with the caveats that I mentioned. Mix of triplines, blind lines and reserve.
I clocked 640 hours on 75% part time (A320) which would equate to about 850 hours full time. All trip lines. And two months off sick too!

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Old 21st Mar 2017, 18:20   #3525 (permalink)
 
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Cripes, 1976, one year on the T1e..............100 hours..........yeah, one ton.......thought I was working hard and collected me tea allowance for doing endless 1630 hrs check in .Oh, those were the days my friends ! Bort, we bombed around at M0.86 and LHR-NCL was 28 minutres..........er, flying time.....!
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 20:14   #3526 (permalink)
 
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My experience..

Exactly 2 years in the company as a full time DEP A320 LHR - already at 50% on the seniority list.

I am a commuter from the frozen north (well Aberdeen) so bid for blocks of work to reduce time on bath road or brothers spare bedroom.

In 2016 - 11 months of trip lines (last was a blind line as too difficult to make CAP due leave / sim) included in this was 2 months of reserve.

Total hours flown 707 (least 17hrs in jan (reserve) most 78 in august.

Remember CAP is not flying hours, for example an Amman standover is worth over 12 hours CAP but only 10:30 actual flight hours, trips are inevitably worth more then day trips.

Nights in hotels downroute 73 - remember I bid for trips.
Nights in my own bed at home in Aberdeen - 152.

I don't do overtime but on the rare occasions I have tried have been unable to as there is very little available.

Are we correctly crewed? I don't know but I am enjoying life and working less than when in the military or flying turboprops. Not sure if that sheds any light on the recruitment situation
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 21:09   #3527 (permalink)
 
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Total hours flown 707 ....

Are we correctly crewed?
I can tell you the management answer to that and it will have a 900 in it......

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..Not sure if that sheds any light on the recruitment situation
I'd hate to say it but it does perhaps shows up the issues as to why some in the company don't like credited hours as a measure of work. Above all what you say doesn't paint a very promising picture regarding recruitment in the near future.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 22:10   #3528 (permalink)
 
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Taken from a management forum recently. Average 120 Pilots a year for the foreseeable. Some years will be more slack (like this year and possibly next) some will be busier. 2019/20 is the next big upcoming bulge of retirements.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 23:19   #3529 (permalink)
 
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Am I correct in thinking that there are no more FPPs next year so whatever requirement there may be will at least come completely from the pool?
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 23:36   #3530 (permalink)
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It's a shame they don't give us our position in the pool and updates as and when they do pluck people out just so we know the likelihood of getting a call. I know people who've been in since April 2016 and I'm in from Sept 16. So imagine there's not too many before April and perhaps a few hundred maybe between them and myself. So not looking great really I don't think.
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 07:03   #3531 (permalink)
 
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VJW from what I gathered there's nowhere near that many in the hold pool, the estimate was 60ish. I would hate to jinx anything but - if that's the case - I struggle to envisage a scenario where anyone left in the pool who hasn't gone elsewhere wouldn't get an offer for 2018.

(P.S I love the way we all seem to be suffering Stockholm syndrome here and questioning that because we are having some semblance of a lifestyle at the moment it must be because we are overcrewed! To the complete contrary I would suggest that it's probably because we are correctly crewed at the moment. 93 Hours Cap and getting flogged to death is not the indication of correct crewing levels even if it is/was the norm!)

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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 09:42   #3532 (permalink)
 
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"no further hiring for 2017 other than FPP cadets. 2018 mainly from current holdpool" quoted from British Airways pilot jobs news for airline pilots and aviation schools however i have no idea how trustworthy this site is and who indeed updates it!
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 21:47   #3533 (permalink)
 
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That's essentially what we were told in a hold pool update email in January.

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VJW from what I gathered there's nowhere near that many in the hold pool , the estimate was 60ish.
Colleague of a friend (yes, I know, it's tenuous, but this is a rumour site!) was told he was 40th in the hold pool overall, but 8th Airbus rated. I believe he did his sim in May '16. So I'd guess there are a fair few more than 60, but hopefully substantially less than a few hundred, given that having done my sim in November '16, I'll be near the bottom...
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 01:11   #3534 (permalink)
 
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Likewise, but your position is clearly more relevant to the rating you hold than your actual number in the pool (assuming the A320 is where most newbies are headed). Last I heard 70% of the pool weren't bus rated.

Trouble is all we can do is speculate (natural in this position of perpetual suspense I suppose) - I do hope BA appreciate this and throw us a bone now and then.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 11:58   #3535 (permalink)


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The first offers for 2018 would be August/September to start Jan 18. We all knew that until then it would be quiet. The fact is that if at the moment SH is correctly crewed this does not mean in 2018 with new aircraft being delivered and more part time/commands that it will stay this way. At the moment people are looking at tea leaves.
The last communication from BA to the hold pool was that 2018 will be a busy year for recruitment on SH and LH. Even if they only take 120 guys that will be a large chunk of the hold pool.
As FACoff said, I hope that BA will update the members of the hold pool even if it doesn't contain anything we didn't already know.
On a side note, surely in this day and age of cost cutting the guys would be kept in the pool regardless.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 14:57   #3536 (permalink)
 
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As an additional note to the discussion, the last few remaining 767's are due to leave the company towards the end of 2018. Depending on how the final wind down is managed, it'll release around 85 pilots to other fleets almost overnight. Just under half of which are in the RHS and although it's only a small ish number in the grand scheme of things, it will fill seats that would otherwise have gone to DEP's.

But that's the plan today and it's always subject to sudden change....
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 19:30   #3537 (permalink)


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VJW from what I gathered there's nowhere near that many in the hold pool, the estimate was 60ish. I would hate to jinx anything but - if that's the case - I struggle to envisage a scenario where anyone left in the pool who hasn't gone elsewhere wouldn't get an offer for 2018
I think there are a fair few more in the pool than 60. If you multiply that by three you are probably closer to the mark.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 10:57   #3538 (permalink)
 
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On a side note, surely in this day and age of cost cutting the guys would be kept in the pool regardless.
Agreed. It's tough enough getting through it all once, let alone twice. A potentially easy win on someones cost code to extend the hold pool time frame.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 13:21   #3539 (permalink)
 
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I think there are a fair few more in the pool than 60. If you multiply that by three you are probably closer to the mark.
Well I'm only repeating what I was told by the current chief training pilot. However maybe he's not party to the exact figures.
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 13:58   #3540 (permalink)
 
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60 Bus Rated / 180 total? The maths would almost fit with the chap further up the thread who claimed to be 40th in the queue overall, but 8th in the bus queue.

Sorry I don't have names / quotes, I'm on mobile.
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