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Old 17th Jan 2017, 12:34   #3441 (permalink)
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Got the email too. I'm not really that worried, then again I expire in March 2018. To be honest, I'd be shocked if people ahead of me sink in the pool, just for the sake of a couple extra months. The email confirmed what I thought based on their last one- no jobs really until 2018. I do find it funny though that the FPP cadets will join to the 320 no problem this year. People with zero hours who'll get the same T&C's as myself (I could be mistaken) and others on joining, are of more 'value' to the company than someone bringing thousands of hours of experience.

However, having taken 3 attempts to jump into the pool, I'd rather be in it, than having to think about a 4th go at it
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 14:40   #3442 (permalink)
 
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The FPPs are on a reduced salary, starting on about £30k I think. BA have also invested a lot in them, so it makes sense that they would want to get them flying as soon as there is a need.
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 15:03   #3443 (permalink)
 
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Could anybody please clarify what the EMail stated?
Are you NonRated and for how long have you been in the pool?
I did not receive any mail so far.

Thanks a lot for your help
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 17:50   #3444 (permalink)
 
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The FPPs are on a reduced salary, starting on about £30k I think. BA have also invested a lot in them, so it makes sense that they would want to get them flying as soon as there is a need.
EMB 145 How much would be again the DEP salary at the bottom?
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 22:31   #3445 (permalink)
 
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EMB 145 How much would be again the DEP salary at the bottom?
At the moment I think it's just over £55k.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 06:27   #3446 (permalink)
 
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I do find it funny though that the FPP cadets will join to the 320 no problem this year. People with zero hours who'll get the same T&C's as myself (I could be mistaken) and others on joining, are of more 'value' to the company than someone bringing thousands of hours of experience.
I'm afraid if you think previous experience counts for much in your early days in BA you are going to be sadly disappointed, you're seen as just another mouth to feed/number on a list by management once you hit the line. OTOH there's no doubt experience might help down the road if you can get to the interview stage for something such as training (but see my final para). As others have pointed out BA have already invested in the FPPs.

(FWIW back in the day I joined BA as an X,000 hour "trainer" and even 3-4 years later didn't even have the seniority to get an interview for a training position on the fleet I was on....seniority in company really is everything.)

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Old 18th Jan 2017, 12:55   #3447 (permalink)
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Not sure my comment was interpreted correctly. I was obviously mistaken and that FPP's T&C's are less than those of DEP's. My point was had that not been the case, it would be strange if BA preferred a cadet...That's be confirmed by EMB that that isn't the case.

Won't stop me using my experience that 'doesn't count for much'- when actually on the line with BA.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 17:10   #3448 (permalink)
 
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Am i right in saying that 2018 is busier for recuitment due to deliveries of A350's, some neos and 787's? And i guess the 18 months in the pool cannot be extended?
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 09:54   #3449 (permalink)
 
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I still haven't had this email. A good sign?

Would anyone care to give me the contents? PM if necessary.

Cheers.
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 11:55   #3450 (permalink)
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thetimesreader84 When did you pass the SIM and are you 320 rated? I'd check my junk folder before thinking it was a good sign.
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 13:35   #3451 (permalink)
 
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Yes, bus rated, and passed the sim in December.

Trust me, my in box, out box, junk mail have all been constantly refreshed ever since the sim, no joy.
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 13:45   #3452 (permalink)
 
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Won't stop me using my experience that 'doesn't count for much'- when actually on the line with BA.
No criticism intended, I promise you people on the line won't have a problem with experience, you've just got to get past the recruitment process which is driven mainly by the accountants.....who regard experience as "unaccountable."

Good luck, hope it all works out for you.
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 15:12   #3453 (permalink)
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thetimesreader84 I'd say you're too early in the pool to get the email update, but being bus rated you might be someone they are planning on still calling for 2017. From what they sent me it appears there are currently no more positions SH or LH in 2017. I'd assume that means all offers for DEP have already been made. I could be wrong, but I'd give up refreshing your email, they'll get in touch when they need us.
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 16:33   #3454 (permalink)
 
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VJW,

Thanks for that. I'm trying to take any positives I can at the moment to be honest. I'd hate to have to go back to the start of the process again. In the absence of any more info from BA I'll settle in for a long wait...
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 17:15   #3455 (permalink)
 
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The latest Chief Pilot update released today confirmed that the last few DEPs for 2017 are either now onboard or have confirmed course dates in the next month or so. The rest of our 2017 intake will be FPPs. No mention of how 2018 is shaping up, however, 2017 was always going to be quiet. Long haul expansion picks up again next year.
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 19:34   #3456 (permalink)
 
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Long haul expansion picks up again next year.
"Expansion"?

On what basis?
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 19:52   #3457 (permalink)
 
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Depends on who you ask. Some are saying that the further 787s provide future expansion. The A350s are deferred, but will eventually replace the 747s.
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Old 22nd Jan 2017, 11:04   #3458 (permalink)
 
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@EMB-145LR
thank you very much for sharing your information from the Chief Pilot. May I ask you where you get these details from?
I am in the exact same situation as thetimesreader. Would be interesting, wether all their DEP candidates have already been contacted or they are still getting in touch with us?
Planning the DEP Dates and scheduling specific candidates are two separate stories. Aren´t they?
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Old 22nd Jan 2017, 12:08   #3459 (permalink)
 
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No problem, E170. The Chief Pilots release a Flight Ops video update on the company intranet most weeks, all of this info is from the most recent one of those.

My understanding is that all those that are scheduled for courses this year have already been contacted. It's a good to remember that things are always very fluid though, and extra courses may be added as plans changes. It's hard to tell with BA, the plan changes constantly.
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Old 22nd Jan 2017, 12:15   #3460 (permalink)
 
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When you speak of a350 aircraft being deferred does that mean none for 2018?
British Airways pares fleet plan, seeks job cuts | Business Standard News
looking at this article cant say I am to confident about getting a call.......
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