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Stampee,
Thanks for the info. That is what i had heard too but the proposed terms of this contract seem to change daily so you never know i guess
Thanks again. All the best
Thanks for the info. That is what i had heard too but the proposed terms of this contract seem to change daily so you never know i guess
Thanks again. All the best
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Think very carefully about working in China. The medical is very difficult at selection but then it never gets any easier once employed.
Chinese Airlines are heamoraging qualified Pilots at a rate of around 10% per year. It really is just a matter of time before it is your turn.
Chinese Airlines are heamoraging qualified Pilots at a rate of around 10% per year. It really is just a matter of time before it is your turn.
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It is not an endurance exercise...if you are athletic/marathon runner,make sure you tell them (so they increase the belt speed)or they may fail you for having too slow of an heart beat.
If you are too fat,lets hope your heart doesnt go too fast either.
If you are standard guy,dont worry about it.
If you are too fat,lets hope your heart doesnt go too fast either.
If you are standard guy,dont worry about it.
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Hi Stampee,
Sorry for the late reply.
I'm also in the middle of my paperwork gathering. Almost all done except for the No Accident / Incident letter which I have no idea where to obtain it from.
I obviously do not want to resign from my present job until I sign another contract, so I don't know how to get that letter. We'll see...
I don't have any reasons to believe that the job is for a cruise captain or junior captain. Everyone has literally been asking that question and we have been told over and over that the job is for captain = PIC. At present, I have no choice but to believe CSA and Parc over some anonymous comment on Pprnue.
The treadmill is not difficult. I'm a smoker and I did not find it hard at all. Just brink your sneakers and a pair of shorts and make sure you shave your chest.
In regards to the bond, I must say that it is pretty standard to be bonded on to a new type rating nowdays on almost any airline. I personally don't find it a deal breaker because I've been bonded before.
The message I personally received from a A330 skipper doing this contract from Brisbane who we personally met during the medical screening, is that the job is the best gig in Asia at the moment, and that he is flying to/from home on his rotations, which in turn means that is home for about 15 days a month.
Good luck to everyone!
Sorry for the late reply.
I'm also in the middle of my paperwork gathering. Almost all done except for the No Accident / Incident letter which I have no idea where to obtain it from.
I obviously do not want to resign from my present job until I sign another contract, so I don't know how to get that letter. We'll see...
I don't have any reasons to believe that the job is for a cruise captain or junior captain. Everyone has literally been asking that question and we have been told over and over that the job is for captain = PIC. At present, I have no choice but to believe CSA and Parc over some anonymous comment on Pprnue.
The treadmill is not difficult. I'm a smoker and I did not find it hard at all. Just brink your sneakers and a pair of shorts and make sure you shave your chest.
In regards to the bond, I must say that it is pretty standard to be bonded on to a new type rating nowdays on almost any airline. I personally don't find it a deal breaker because I've been bonded before.
The message I personally received from a A330 skipper doing this contract from Brisbane who we personally met during the medical screening, is that the job is the best gig in Asia at the moment, and that he is flying to/from home on his rotations, which in turn means that is home for about 15 days a month.
Good luck to everyone!
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SIM assessement on 744
G'day,
Anyone could share the sim assessement details done on 744 for the 777/787 with CSA?
Would a commuting from a base not included in those mentioned, be something possible, regarding the days OFF between flights?
e.g. based in GZ under Mode A rostering but commuting from SIN between flights.
Many thanks for any informations.
Anyone could share the sim assessement details done on 744 for the 777/787 with CSA?
Would a commuting from a base not included in those mentioned, be something possible, regarding the days OFF between flights?
e.g. based in GZ under Mode A rostering but commuting from SIN between flights.
Many thanks for any informations.
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Post 16 by Wyomingpilot is not even close to accurate, there are plenty of guys on the A330 in Australia with rosters over the last 2 years that can refute those comments. The bond seems to depend on agency as both Longreach and GABS have both denied in writing a pre paid bond is required. P1 seems to be the norm but with Chinese captain as PIC but then again there are not enough foreign pilots to run with 2 on each flight. Rostering 787 is a huge guess as currently only GZ based and off to LHR so no real guess where you will go, if you use the A330 in Aust as an indication, we were told you could do GZ returns or ask to go on further in the network, 787 flight times shows 24 hours return to GZ maybe woodja51 can comment on A330 rosters. They have confirmed enough guys now through screening successfully to confirm Auckland NZ base will go ahead.
P1 seems to be the norm but with Chinese captain as PIC but then again there are not enough foreign pilots to run with 2 on each flight
There can only be one PIC on a flight- the designated P1. Even the previously rated 330 Capts at CZ have been flying as P2 for 12 months now, non-rated pilots will take significantly longer. As P2 or FO your log book is signed off by the PIC at the end of each flight so no chance you could present this elsewhere as anything other than relief time.
While the contract terms may not be changing, the 'interpretation' of terms will change and you can be sure it will not be to the pilots advantage. This of course is not peculiar to aviation dealings with the Chinese.
Good luck.
The foreign A330 Capts at CSA are not doing domestic flights yet (after 12 months there and previously rated on the A330). One of the benefits of not not being cleared as Pic. Some of the local Capts at my airline even decline the upgrade for this reason.
We still launch with minimum three crew on domestic flights- Capt, FO & radio operator (junior FO).
We still launch with minimum three crew on domestic flights- Capt, FO & radio operator (junior FO).
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Being in China for 4 years,I can tell you guys the info posted here are very accurate. I'm not with CS but some stuff are the same for all companies either because it is a CAAC rule or because it is the way it is in China.
1. Contacts are ONLY guidelines.
2. They do need pilots,but they get rid of you very easily
3.in China you don't need to bea good pilot.You need to be lucky.
4.the medicals do keep grounding people even when you are already flying in the company.In my company,we are 40 and in 4 years, 7 lost their medical for good.In China,of course. EVERY 6 month some of us have to repeat exams because something was not at an astronaut standard.
5.For non type rated.Expect to be on the right for well over a year.apparently CAAC Directive?!
6.VERY IMPORTANT, !!! The agency. Parc is no longer what it used to be.Just another one . Brookfield would not be my option at all. The Best around is GPS.I'm not with them unfortunately,but everyone with them is happy.
7.You don't need to be a
sucker in China. Some guys have tripled their wrinkles and bent their spine for that.Just be respectful,good courtesy and professional.
Good luck to you all
1. Contacts are ONLY guidelines.
2. They do need pilots,but they get rid of you very easily
3.in China you don't need to bea good pilot.You need to be lucky.
4.the medicals do keep grounding people even when you are already flying in the company.In my company,we are 40 and in 4 years, 7 lost their medical for good.In China,of course. EVERY 6 month some of us have to repeat exams because something was not at an astronaut standard.
5.For non type rated.Expect to be on the right for well over a year.apparently CAAC Directive?!
6.VERY IMPORTANT, !!! The agency. Parc is no longer what it used to be.Just another one . Brookfield would not be my option at all. The Best around is GPS.I'm not with them unfortunately,but everyone with them is happy.
7.You don't need to be a
sucker in China. Some guys have tripled their wrinkles and bent their spine for that.Just be respectful,good courtesy and professional.Good luck to you all
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Woodya wrote,
"NOW if your agency is making you put up a bank guarantee or cash up front , flick them OFF !!! If you resign inside of the period, YOU ARE LIABLE for the amount remaining TO THE AGENCY.
My point is , some agencies are prepared to take the risk ( and chase you for it if you leave ) , others, such as PARC dont want the risk and are asking you to stump up I think... "
Longreach China are now asking for the cash up front.I wonder why the change
in policy?
GABS the only company I know of that is not.
"NOW if your agency is making you put up a bank guarantee or cash up front , flick them OFF !!! If you resign inside of the period, YOU ARE LIABLE for the amount remaining TO THE AGENCY.
My point is , some agencies are prepared to take the risk ( and chase you for it if you leave ) , others, such as PARC dont want the risk and are asking you to stump up I think... "
Longreach China are now asking for the cash up front.I wonder why the change
in policy?
GABS the only company I know of that is not.
