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When easyjet offers exclusively permanent contracts instead of a handful then come back and see us. Until then stop avoiding answering my original question. You'll do wonders in parliament.
A few perm contracts does NOT make the rest of the NEC contracts acceptable.
When easyjet offers exclusively permanent contracts instead of a handful then come back and see us. Until then stop avoiding answering my original question. You'll do wonders in parliament.
A few perm contracts does NOT make the rest of the NEC contracts acceptable.
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You'll do wonders in parliament.
You might wanna read up on some of the verbal sparring sessions I did many years ago with AdM. Don't say I didn't warn you!
AdM is just a management lackey, making sure that there's a never ending stream of fresh cadets willing to do the dirty work (read: his dirty work) on ever increasing 'probation times.'
But AdM, just asking, but how long was your probation time when you joined as a DEC? Were you also on a flex roster?
Dougie,
Probation time when ADM joined was 6 months it was standard at that time. Flex rostering didn't exist and you were working 5-2, 5-4.
If you are to move to other bases as a capt on old UK contract then some places you would have to start on flex rostering and also losing your annual loyalty bonus.
Probation time when ADM joined was 6 months it was standard at that time. Flex rostering didn't exist and you were working 5-2, 5-4.
If you are to move to other bases as a capt on old UK contract then some places you would have to start on flex rostering and also losing your annual loyalty bonus.
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Doug the Head - as I live and breathe! I feared you had gone to that great hangar in the sky, but no - you still walk among us, happy as ever. I trust you are still with us in the orange fold, still waiting for Air Utopia to whisk you off your feet and take you to the promised land far from the life of slavery and penury which you find yourself marooned in here at easyJet. This thread has provided me with much to wonder at - first of all we have the people whose entire knowledge of easyJet is that we fly orange Airbuses around the place and sell expensive coffees and sandwiches, but still know so much more about the Company than the pilots that work there. Then we have the Arctic Monkeys of this world, out there in the cold so to speak, who have studiously believed that easyJet is an immoral employer, only to discover that the things people like myself have been saying are actually true after all. I know you are a 'glass fully empty' man yourself when it comes to easyJet, but even you must agree that your dire prophecies over the years have not really materialised. Regarding our cadets, there are literally dozens of them who joined easyJet on £500/month some years ago and who are now earning £100k+ as Captains before their 30th birthday. Hardly a disaster some might say.
We have our principal competition in the form of Ryanair, Vueling and Norwegian who all offer 'Brookfield'-style contracts whereas we offer permanent contracts on clearly stated terms and conditions the day you join. I accept that is due to BALPA, for whom I am profoundly grateful, but we are way better employers than any of them. As you rightly point out, when I joined it was a 6 month probation and that seemed to work fine. If we had to make it a year to get the deal through then frankly it was a price worth paying. A long and painful dispute has been brought to an end by both management and pilots having to bite the bullet and come to a compromise. Not perfect, but way better than the competition. I am amused to hear myself described as a 'management lackie', given that there have been a fair number of people on here who have doubted whether I work for easyJet at all. My position has always been that you have to play the team put out in front of you, and that working together is way better than living in constant dispute. So I have unashamedly voted 'Yes' for the current pay offer and 'Yes' to accept the holiday pay deal - maybe you voted differently (if you are not a freeloader), which is of course your prerogative. I am aware that in a period of economic austerity and actual pay cuts for countless workers in this country, easyJet are giving the best pay deal that I know of anywhere in Europe - but still still that is not enough for a few of our number. Fundamentally, I think easyJet is a great place to work - if that makes me a 'management lackie', then there are an awful lot of us around. Presumably if you could have found a better employer you would have done so by now. Perhaps your job is really not quite the disaster you have for so long believed it to be, and that there are indeed many worse places to work and, dare I say it, not too many better. Whatever the truth, it is a pleasure to read your thoughts once again.
We have our principal competition in the form of Ryanair, Vueling and Norwegian who all offer 'Brookfield'-style contracts whereas we offer permanent contracts on clearly stated terms and conditions the day you join. I accept that is due to BALPA, for whom I am profoundly grateful, but we are way better employers than any of them. As you rightly point out, when I joined it was a 6 month probation and that seemed to work fine. If we had to make it a year to get the deal through then frankly it was a price worth paying. A long and painful dispute has been brought to an end by both management and pilots having to bite the bullet and come to a compromise. Not perfect, but way better than the competition. I am amused to hear myself described as a 'management lackie', given that there have been a fair number of people on here who have doubted whether I work for easyJet at all. My position has always been that you have to play the team put out in front of you, and that working together is way better than living in constant dispute. So I have unashamedly voted 'Yes' for the current pay offer and 'Yes' to accept the holiday pay deal - maybe you voted differently (if you are not a freeloader), which is of course your prerogative. I am aware that in a period of economic austerity and actual pay cuts for countless workers in this country, easyJet are giving the best pay deal that I know of anywhere in Europe - but still still that is not enough for a few of our number. Fundamentally, I think easyJet is a great place to work - if that makes me a 'management lackie', then there are an awful lot of us around. Presumably if you could have found a better employer you would have done so by now. Perhaps your job is really not quite the disaster you have for so long believed it to be, and that there are indeed many worse places to work and, dare I say it, not too many better. Whatever the truth, it is a pleasure to read your thoughts once again.
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Justagiglio77 - oh the pain, the wretched 'abomination' that £100k per year is too low a salary for you to live on. You clearly have a job that wants to pay you more than that for less work, and I heartily recommend you hang on to it. For the more rational among us, you may be interested to know that the average executive in the UK (the highest paid group of employees) gets paid £120k per year. The average UK pilot gets paid £78k and the average UK annual salary is around £27k. I am a simple soul, but it seems to me that a salary of £100k is bearable.
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May I ask what effing planet are you on? I would suggest most working people in the UK and Canada would only be to happy to able to receve a quarter of what you think you can live on. I thought Canada was like the USA but with the bad bits taken out but it seems at least one individual has slipped through the net!
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Yeah, let's all praise £500 salaries and £100k debt (sarcasm)
because a select few will ever get to make £100k salaries one day in the distant future! (very few of the people who are scammed into this "system" will ever make that level in favour of others coming behind willing to put them out of a "job" by accepting this scam)
That's what makes a great deal for pilots! (sarcasm again)
You guys are so out of touch with what life should be like and disintegrate conditions with your pathetic willingness to praise such practices. (true story)
What an abomination! ( even you can figure this out)
BTW, £100k/yr ain't that great of a living these days if you have kids, mortgage, car etc! (well it just isn't regardless of how you try to spin)
Try this: IFS - Where do you fit in? £100k comes out at better than 96% of the population....
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Justagigolo77, glad I made you smile today 
To answer your second question if they are able to pass the skippers course then they will get skipper when their number comes up. Just recently I have flown with FO's who started the "scam" six years ago with 0 hours and now have command course dates.....
To answer your second question if they are able to pass the skippers course then they will get skipper when their number comes up. Just recently I have flown with FO's who started the "scam" six years ago with 0 hours and now have command course dates.....
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The number? There is no huge attrition of cadets, that I know for sure. In fact attrition was lower than forecast. Perhaps others can comment?
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I get the impression you think there is some kind of conspiracy. No one is getting in and then having their hours cut to make way for a new batch of cadets. Wherever that rumour has come from I can say it is false.
We have flexi guys at my base regularly doing 70-80 hours a month. However most of our flexi have been here long enough to be eligible for the NEC and I'm very glad to say all that have gone for it have obtained permanent employment.
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I get the impression you think there is some kind of conspiracy. No one is getting in and then having their hours cut to make way for a new batch of cadets. Wherever that rumour has come from I can say it is false.
We have flexi guys at my base regularly doing 70-80 hours a month. However most of our flexi have been here long enough to be eligible for the NEC and I'm very glad to say all that have gone for it have obtained permanent employment.
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Funny old pay scales at easyJet. A pilot with three years experience gets paid E105000 and one with just six years experience gets paid 130000GBP and an A320 command. Yet guys with many years of experience have to pay to join at the bottom of the NEC.
Yesterday I flew with a highly compitent flexi crew F/O aged 22. Has been with the company 2 years and now has been given a permanent contract. He hopes to start diminishing a good part of his debt with his full salary over four years.
He can join the share save schemes and also start his future command etraining modules.
He WILL have his command by the time he is 26 years old and reaches the required high standards.
At 26 his remuneration package will be not less than £115000'per anum
So at 26 years of age he is very nearly debt free.
Earning in excess of £115,000 per year.
I see these guys every day pulling into the staff car parks driving cars I could only dream of a few years ago. Now these dreams can be a reality, if I wasn't married!
Not sounding so horrific now is it?
£115,000 salary is high but absolutely justified 100%
He can join the share save schemes and also start his future command etraining modules.
He WILL have his command by the time he is 26 years old and reaches the required high standards.
At 26 his remuneration package will be not less than £115000'per anum
So at 26 years of age he is very nearly debt free.
Earning in excess of £115,000 per year.
I see these guys every day pulling into the staff car parks driving cars I could only dream of a few years ago. Now these dreams can be a reality, if I wasn't married!
Not sounding so horrific now is it?
£115,000 salary is high but absolutely justified 100%
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The faster time to command at Easy would offset the £20k type rating cost many times over.
Factor in climbing the property ladder sooner then the financial benefits continue to compound.
BA do have A380s and nightstops in the Caribbean though so that's cool if that's what floats your boat.
Factor in climbing the property ladder sooner then the financial benefits continue to compound.
BA do have A380s and nightstops in the Caribbean though so that's cool if that's what floats your boat.