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Old 26th Mar 2013, 06:56   #21 (permalink)
 
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Well, on face value it appears that EZY have realised that they have a gap looming in respect of the fact that there are not enough suitably experienced RHS guys/gals ready and able to move to the LHS - and they are recruiting accordingly to allow time to train and move suitably experienced crew LHS to meet future projected requirements in due course. Good to see - expect a few other airlines to slowly follow suit over the next year or two - other than the irish one of course, who consistently plumb the depths lol.

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Old 26th Mar 2013, 09:56   #22 (permalink)
 
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Besides the whole pay issue the main question that comes to mind is this. Why are Easyjet asking for people with 1500+ hours when in the past it's been a lot less, circa 200 hours etc?
Three reasons probably.
1) Rumour has it the insurers are getting a bit nervous about the experience level.
2) Cost was a big issue. eJ could bypass the old "expensive" contract with flexicrew - they got ultimate flexibility and low crew cost in the RHS compared to less flexibility on a 5354 pattern and a high fixed cost. Now with the new contract, they have the best of both worlds; they can manage seasonality by measuring the amount of copilots they have on 5354 for a lot less money, 100% FRV and 75% FRV. Now cost is sorted, there's no reason not to employ more experienced crew.
3) With the end of the recession and the start of some significant growth in the next 3-5 years, attrition is likely to rise, which will more than likely lead to a significant loss of crew. Remember a lot of the FO community at eJ are early/mid/late twenties so are more likely to leave for the likes of BA / Emirates which is a bit more career orientated. There is also a large bubble of copilots that joined with 200hrs 2-3 years ago. It leaves a bit of an experience gap for commands in 3 years or so. Getting a variety of crew with more hours balances that a bit.

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If true, this could be a sign that not enough type rated guys are signing up to FlexiCrew so what other way to ensure a continous stream of pilots ready to snap up zero hour contracts?
I don't think there has been a lack of cadets signing up to eJ. I think the real shift has been because of the death of the A scale FO contract. With a cheaper contract, they can afford to take on more experience without having to pay extra for it.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 10:01   #23 (permalink)
 
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I think the real shift has been because of the death of the A scale FO contract. With a cheaper contract, they can afford to take on more experience without having to pay extra for it.
Only if experienced people are willing to accept that dip in terms & conditions...
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 10:04   #24 (permalink)
 
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You think they won't? I would put very large amounts of money (borrowed from Carolyn's bonus, naturally) on them taking it.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 10:07   #25 (permalink)
 
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Just because Easyjet are looking to allow people to join if they pay for their own type rating and sign to a lower payscale, is not a good thing to jump about.

If they were serious about recruitment and their employees, then they would offer proper contracts and recruitment, just like Monarch, Virgin, BA.

One of the reasons they are short is because so many f/o's have left for better security and conditions at other employers recently.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 10:16   #26 (permalink)
 
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Like many others I've been listening to all the EZ rumours with intent.

I've heard some of this is due to falling experience levels in both seats, and an interest in the matter from some of the ruling authorities.

Is there any truth in this? Or is it simply the turning of a new leaf? Either way, it's starting to look promising.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 10:21   #27 (permalink)
 
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Charging experienced pilots for a type rating and not even offering full time to them all...... How is that promising!?
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 10:46   #28 (permalink)
 
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Some quick fag packet (make that a v used fag packet) maths:

75% of EJ contract FO payscale (source: PPJN) = 31,714 basic
Sector pay monthly (75%) (roughly 15 days @ 16.89 sector *4)
= 1013.4 * 12 = 12,160

Grand total (pre-tax) 43,874
Post tax (via PAYE online tax calculator, tax on 70% of total sector pay)
= 33462 / 12 = 2788 monthly

Two main issues(?) - 1) this is initially a contract position 2) The TR (see CTC website) will end up costing just shy of 20K once VAT is added.

For many guys looking at this (perhaps in current flying employment elsewhere) unless they have 20K lying around, once you have covered the monthly re-payments on any loan required, you're going to be down on your money from what you're earning in your current position.....

Quite the gamble unless its a perm position at >75% working?

(NB: Pls feel free to revise above data if there is more valid stuff out there!)
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 11:16   #29 (permalink)
 
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You should have a look at Flybe Turboprop/Ejet payscale dear friends! You are still going to be better off after paying a TR with Easyjet. The main thing is job security, which now days is priority no 1.

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Old 26th Mar 2013, 11:20   #30 (permalink)
 
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Agree flyhigh2fly, job security is indeed the number 1 priority!
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 11:30   #31 (permalink)
 
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I fly for easyJet.

This recruitment is to replace FO's due to attrition and to cover the expansion forecast from now until 2014.

We are looking for 200 FO's with this drive and the target is summer 2014 operation.

They are forecasting 50 commands for this year and possibly 100 for the next so that's 3 quarters of the required allotment, the other 50 is probably attrition.

As for experience levels lowering across all seats, it was true to an extent in the RHS with guys coming from CTC and PARC with the minimum 250 hours. In the LHS however the time to command has risen considerably so the guys getting upgraded now have more experience on type than their counterparts had 5 or so years ago when they upgraded.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 11:48   #32 (permalink)
 
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Based on the figures Finals19 has worked out I don't think this is financially a good move for a flybe dash or jet FO, given that you have to pay for the type rating. Consider that in order to have the hours to apply for this you will probably be a Year 3 FO - if on the jet you will be earning the same as that Easy wage. Most folks on the jet are well beyond paypoint 3. If on the dash it wouldn't be too dissimilar once you factor in TR repayments.

350 for the privilege of an interview?! They've got exploiting newbies pretty sewn up, now it's the turn of those with a little bit of experience.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 12:13   #33 (permalink)
 
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I doubt they charge for an interview, they never did for flexi.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 12:34   #34 (permalink)
 
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I'd hope not, nevertheless the figure (+vat) comes from the CTC website for a self funded A320 TR.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 12:47   #35 (permalink)
 
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With any luck, the company, CTC, won't get a look in.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 13:39   #36 (permalink)
 
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If they were serious about recruitment and their employees, then they would offer proper contracts and recruitment, just like Monarch, Virgin, BA.
Is that the same Monarch that nearly went under a couple of years ago / the same Virgin that lost 80m last year / the same BA that's part of IAG that lost nearly 1bn last year?

Easyjet don't pay a penny more for pilots, or anything else for that matter, than they absolutely have to. It's called supply and demand and the management are ALL over it.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 14:13   #37 (permalink)
 
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VRB03,

It might be a good move if Flybe is no longer around in a year's time!?
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 14:22   #38 (permalink)
 
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If the position was bonded and no B scale salary (what ever that is), Yes it would be a good deal to consider.

EZY want experienced crews and I'm in RYR who would consider applying but the deal on the table is quite frankly pathetic with the requirement to pay for type. I'm not interested in spending 20k on a type rating for a job on a piss poor scale and potentially 75% as well. What sort of experience are they after because not many In the jet world would look at this unless they're stuck in timbucktu for crazy airways.

How others think this is good deal is beyond me. It will attract the TP guys who are desperate to get out and that's about it I think.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 14:22   #39 (permalink)
 
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easyJets salaries do vary greatly.

Some of the European ones have to the up with the best paying contracts around at the moment, certainly for SFOs.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 14:23   #40 (permalink)
 
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Someone worked out some figures a few posts back. From the document eJ released, you can expect less than that on 75%...roughly 39000 before tax inc sector pay. Plus about 2300 in pension.
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