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Old 27th Feb 2013, 11:41   #101 (permalink)
 
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Again, someone wet behind the ears telling experienced guys how its ment to be done, love it. And on that note most of these agency workers are in their 20's and haven't got a clue about the industry.

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Old 27th Feb 2013, 14:42   #102 (permalink)
 
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I agree with fade-to-grey.

What's more, I'm going to create several new PPRuNe users right now who will also agree with us.

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Old 27th Feb 2013, 14:52   #103 (permalink)
 
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......I agree with clunk. As does my friend Happy man 757 , and his good pal Happy man 146....

Those successful candidates must still be on the pis@ celebrating their good fortune ...
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 18:20   #104 (permalink)
 
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Apparently UK bases on offer are LGW, BHX, MAN, NCL....

Although still highly skeptical at the lack of candidates coming forward with any information!
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 18:33   #105 (permalink)
 
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So C and M and yeoman still standing by that its not thomson?

If it looks like dog poo, smells like dog poo and tastes like dog poo; what is it ?
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 23:50   #106 (permalink)
 
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Always grateful for 15 year olds issuing professional pilot employment advice.

I've seen enough scams and dodgy offers in aviation to know which side of the fence I sit on regarding this recruitment.
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Old 28th Feb 2013, 09:07   #107 (permalink)
 
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There are an awful lot of awful opinions in this thread.

Details for this contract are sketchy to say the least, but if you are unemployed, be you experienced or not, why would you not apply? If you don't apply you won't have the opportunity to make an informed judgement about whether the job is worth your while or not. Does it really matter at this stage who the employer is?

If you want the career in an airline then chuck your hat in the ring, and get in the game. If not then I don't understand what you hope to gain by taking cheap shots at everyone else.

I'm sure you all want to know if I applied or not. It's none of your business
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Old 28th Feb 2013, 10:35   #108 (permalink)
 
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No request has been made yet for any money for either selection, sim evaluation, training or rating. So I don't really see how it is a scam. (This may change of course later!)
Until then, surely it's best to think of it as interview preparation which doesn't hurt.
For those already flying, there are bound to be better offers and this may well be an insult to you.
For those working in McD's this is the magic open door!
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Old 28th Feb 2013, 15:20   #109 (permalink)
 
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Candidates were told the airline is Sunwing under contract with them and not the agency.

Tech tests were done earlier in the week and were apparently almost impossible!

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Old 28th Feb 2013, 17:07   #110 (permalink)
 
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I also do not understand why all this negativity. Just apply, wait and see. You don't lose anything with that.
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Old 28th Feb 2013, 17:55   #111 (permalink)
 
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Sky High

Please quit trying to lump me in with C and M, for the public record, I abhor any outfit or individual that seeks to profit from the aspirations of young pilots. I spend a great deal of my time trying to prevent both that and companies from being party to it, TOM in particular, as you spend spouting on here. As yet there is no evidence to suggest C and M are in any way shady and no evidence to suggest that TOM is involved and that includes asking the question directly of the TOM manager concerned.

As for forgetting important details viz work permits, maybe one of the TOM pilots currently on secondment to Sunwing in Canada may care to comment on the vagaries of the process?

And here's a clue. I think I am probably about as well qualified to talk on the involvement of TOM or otherwise as anyone here. Have a quick squint at earlier discussions on TOM recruitment and join up the dots, about the only tech questionnaire some here would appear capable of, that's if your bored with painting by numbers.

For those still struggling with it, maybe some kind soul from TOM could help them with it?
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Old 28th Feb 2013, 23:29   #112 (permalink)
 
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with all the positive comments abound,
if i were offered an interview the very first thing i'd do would be to post here.
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Old 1st Mar 2013, 07:17   #113 (permalink)
 
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Presumably the successful ones are remembering Carl's comments;
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Although you may think your username protects you and makes you anonymous, people do tell us who you are !
Laughable and patently false as these words are, if I was trying to bag a job and been told not to disclose anything, I would probably err on the side of caution too.
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Old 2nd Mar 2013, 10:23   #114 (permalink)
 
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I thought every was eager to know the airline, now it's on here and nobody has anything to say?
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Old 2nd Mar 2013, 17:14   #115 (permalink)
 
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Maybe because none of the "candidates" have come forward to inspire the rest of the community and quash the rumours! Ok this is a " rumour forum" but as Fade to Grey observes....
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Old 2nd Mar 2013, 17:33   #116 (permalink)
 
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In that case I didn't make myself clear enough, I am one of them. And McBruce's list of bases is correct with the addition of Glasgow
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Old 2nd Mar 2013, 18:04   #117 (permalink)
 
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Perhaps it was your comment " tech tests were done etc" implied the info was given to you by a third party! apparently!
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Old 2nd Mar 2013, 18:06   #118 (permalink)
 
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I thought every was eager to know the airline, now it's on here and nobody has anything to say?
Oh, go on then;

Was Carl able to explain why he advertised Sunwing as "a major UK charter airline"?

Do you believe his explanation of the need for secrecy, or do you think there may be other reasons why they want this kept quiet?

Best of luck with the on going selection
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Old 3rd Mar 2013, 07:44   #119 (permalink)
 
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At last!

Someone has finally worked it out. A recruitment agency can say what it wants. Tesco can even say "Finest Quality Beef".

And then comes reality.

And it takes a man with English as his second language to do it. For that reason I think we can forgive his use of the word "anger" where perhaps "apoplexy" would have been better?

If you Sir are in fact a Madame, I apologise for my use of he / his and congratulate you on your perception.

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Old 3rd Mar 2013, 10:13   #120 (permalink)
 
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Yeoman said in post 144:

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For those still struggling with it, maybe some kind soul from TOM could help them with it?
Pleased to help.

Yeoman is a Thomson pilot and probably one of the best placed in the company outside senior management to know what he's talking about on this topic.

For a flavour on the troubles in Canada with foreign labour have another read of the link on post 24 of this thread posted by Black and Brown. I suspect that getting work permits for non Canadian nationals may not be as simple as the agency suggest. I'd further suggest that if the UK carrier for summer work is supposed to be Thomson then that will be extremely problematic if the intention is to go outside the current reciprocal agreement with Sunwing.

Of course the UK carrier may not be Thomson and the work permit situation may well be all sorted. If so though, why all the secrecy?

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