Norwegian B737 Pilot selection (Updated)
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DEC positions cannot be tied to a particular base. The Master Seniority List determines who goes where, and if there is a demand for people at LGW at the time you are employed, you can go there provided people ahead of you in terms of seniority are not taking those spots. Likewise, if the base is downsized, lowest seniority will be affected first.
The MSL is strictly enforced by the company, so it may take a while for you to get where you want. As far as pay is concerned, get OSM to send you a sample contract. Perks are there, free commuting from home to base, crew meals, uniforms, job related expenses are reimbursed and decent staff travel for you and your family, and even friends.
The MSL is strictly enforced by the company, so it may take a while for you to get where you want. As far as pay is concerned, get OSM to send you a sample contract. Perks are there, free commuting from home to base, crew meals, uniforms, job related expenses are reimbursed and decent staff travel for you and your family, and even friends.
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Christ almighty will people stop listing crew meals and uniforms as a 'perk'.
By all means mention that you have to pay for your own uniform as a warning to others but don't suggest it's some kind of gratuity.
By all means mention that you have to pay for your own uniform as a warning to others but don't suggest it's some kind of gratuity.
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Echo the above. All points mentioned should be taken for granted in a serious company.
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Direct Bondi,
I have no idea what your obsession is when it comes to slagging off Norwegian, but my guess is, you don't work there, and never have. Your comments are also grossly inaccurate.
Yes, you are right,there is no MSL mentioned in any individual employment contract, BUT this is clearly governed by NPU and was the basis of the last negotiations that resulted in industrial action. One of the key points of the dispute was that the company would strictly enforce the MSL rather than differentiating between K-area (Scandinavia), Euro bases and long haul. This went through and is enforced - FACT.
Further to your inaccurate claim that the MSL is not enforced, proposed country based seniority lists rather than a company wide MSL, have been voted down across the board, and yet again, the MSL is here, it is being enforced and it is here to stay.
In future, please stick to facts, and in the meantime, throw another shrimp on the barbie mate, surely Down Under you have more important things to worry about than the goings on in a Scandinavian airline.
I have no idea what your obsession is when it comes to slagging off Norwegian, but my guess is, you don't work there, and never have. Your comments are also grossly inaccurate.
Yes, you are right,there is no MSL mentioned in any individual employment contract, BUT this is clearly governed by NPU and was the basis of the last negotiations that resulted in industrial action. One of the key points of the dispute was that the company would strictly enforce the MSL rather than differentiating between K-area (Scandinavia), Euro bases and long haul. This went through and is enforced - FACT.
Further to your inaccurate claim that the MSL is not enforced, proposed country based seniority lists rather than a company wide MSL, have been voted down across the board, and yet again, the MSL is here, it is being enforced and it is here to stay.
In future, please stick to facts, and in the meantime, throw another shrimp on the barbie mate, surely Down Under you have more important things to worry about than the goings on in a Scandinavian airline.
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november.sierra,
You seem confused and completely sold on Norwegian’s “employment” snake oil.
In one paragraph you state, “Your comments are also grossly inaccurate”, followed immediately in the next by, “Yes, you are right, there is no MSL [Master Seniority List] mentioned in any individual employment contract”
Norwegian’s direct hire (employee) pilots are the only recipients of any employment law seniority rights and collective union agreement with which Norwegian must comply. Any seniority benefits granted to Norwegian’s third-party, agency employed pilots, are entirely at the whim of Norwegian’s questionable management. If that seniority benefit is removed, individually or collectively, agency pilots have no legal recourse directly with Norwegian whatsoever.
It is implausible that Norwegian’s unionized employee pilots would strike in support of an agency pilot issue. It is also implausible that agency pilots would strike in support of Norwegian’s unionized pilots (as proven during the strike in March 2015).
Clearly, you have no concept of the extent of Norwegian’s employment circumvention and the associated loss to agency pilots of employment law, employment rights and employment principles directly with Norwegian.
The Norway press reports regularly on Norwegian’s misguided idea of labor relations. I am curious, which of the obsessed newspaper comments listed below would you consider grossly inaccurate? - Take your time, I’ll have another shrimp:-
DN News, Dec 4, 2015
"It emerged very strong testimony in court which in my opinion very damaging to confidence in the management of the company and created the basis for settlement. A continuation of what we heard on Tuesday would have been so devastating for Norwegian short and long term that the company had no choice but to arrive at settlement" [the out of court settlement of asacked Safety Officer]
DN News, Sep 26, 2015.
“Half of Norwegian’s pilots want to quit” and “75% of pilots surveyed would not recommend Norwegian as an employer”
Dagbladet News, June 19, 2015
"This smells of punishment and discrimination, says deputy Vegard Einanin PARAT, which organizes pilots and cabin staff in English [Norwegian]"
Dagbladet News, 18 May, 2015.
"Kjos accused of exploiting desperate pilots"
DN News, Mar 4, 2015
“Pilots are threatened with losing their jobs if they refuse to transition to OSM”
Dagbladet News, March 3, 2015
"Feeling exposed to a witch hunt from Kjos" - “Dream job was a nightmare”
E24 News, Jan 26, 2015
"Threatened pilots to sign a new contract using aggressive tactics and threats to revoke contracts if pilots did not sign"
DN News, Nov 14, 2013
"None of them [agency crew] want to come forward for fear of their future with Norwegian"
Nettavisen News, July 10, 2013
"English [Norwegian] intimidates officers and employees from expressing themselves"
DN News, Dec 13, 2012
"Within Norwegian threats of reprisals against crew being used in daily operations"
PARAT website:
Paratluftfart
Nettavisen News website:
http://www.nettavisen.no/
E24 News website:
http://e24.no/
DN News website:
http://www.dn.no/
Dagbladet News website:
http://www.dagbladet.no/
You seem confused and completely sold on Norwegian’s “employment” snake oil.
In one paragraph you state, “Your comments are also grossly inaccurate”, followed immediately in the next by, “Yes, you are right, there is no MSL [Master Seniority List] mentioned in any individual employment contract”
Norwegian’s direct hire (employee) pilots are the only recipients of any employment law seniority rights and collective union agreement with which Norwegian must comply. Any seniority benefits granted to Norwegian’s third-party, agency employed pilots, are entirely at the whim of Norwegian’s questionable management. If that seniority benefit is removed, individually or collectively, agency pilots have no legal recourse directly with Norwegian whatsoever.
It is implausible that Norwegian’s unionized employee pilots would strike in support of an agency pilot issue. It is also implausible that agency pilots would strike in support of Norwegian’s unionized pilots (as proven during the strike in March 2015).
Clearly, you have no concept of the extent of Norwegian’s employment circumvention and the associated loss to agency pilots of employment law, employment rights and employment principles directly with Norwegian.
The Norway press reports regularly on Norwegian’s misguided idea of labor relations. I am curious, which of the obsessed newspaper comments listed below would you consider grossly inaccurate? - Take your time, I’ll have another shrimp:-
DN News, Dec 4, 2015
"It emerged very strong testimony in court which in my opinion very damaging to confidence in the management of the company and created the basis for settlement. A continuation of what we heard on Tuesday would have been so devastating for Norwegian short and long term that the company had no choice but to arrive at settlement" [the out of court settlement of asacked Safety Officer]
DN News, Sep 26, 2015.
“Half of Norwegian’s pilots want to quit” and “75% of pilots surveyed would not recommend Norwegian as an employer”
Dagbladet News, June 19, 2015
"This smells of punishment and discrimination, says deputy Vegard Einanin PARAT, which organizes pilots and cabin staff in English [Norwegian]"
Dagbladet News, 18 May, 2015.
"Kjos accused of exploiting desperate pilots"
DN News, Mar 4, 2015
“Pilots are threatened with losing their jobs if they refuse to transition to OSM”
Dagbladet News, March 3, 2015
"Feeling exposed to a witch hunt from Kjos" - “Dream job was a nightmare”
E24 News, Jan 26, 2015
"Threatened pilots to sign a new contract using aggressive tactics and threats to revoke contracts if pilots did not sign"
DN News, Nov 14, 2013
"None of them [agency crew] want to come forward for fear of their future with Norwegian"
Nettavisen News, July 10, 2013
"English [Norwegian] intimidates officers and employees from expressing themselves"
DN News, Dec 13, 2012
"Within Norwegian threats of reprisals against crew being used in daily operations"
PARAT website:
Paratluftfart
Nettavisen News website:
http://www.nettavisen.no/
E24 News website:
http://e24.no/
DN News website:
http://www.dn.no/
Dagbladet News website:
http://www.dagbladet.no/
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Using newspaper headlines to prove a point is a bit unreliable, one only has to see the reports of other aviation related topics to find the press to be less than accurate.
While there are issues with the Norwegian employment model that need to be addressed your opinions do have a hint of being an anti Norwegian taliban.
The truth of the matter is that in the current environment there is a pilot shortage in Europe and the management in all the airlines will have to deal with pilots moving to those who offer the best T's & C's.
It follows to keep pilots management practices in airlines will have to improve of there will be no pilots to manage.
While there are issues with the Norwegian employment model that need to be addressed your opinions do have a hint of being an anti Norwegian taliban.
The truth of the matter is that in the current environment there is a pilot shortage in Europe and the management in all the airlines will have to deal with pilots moving to those who offer the best T's & C's.
It follows to keep pilots management practices in airlines will have to improve of there will be no pilots to manage.
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There`s a pilot shortage in Europe? Really!?!?! 
Then why the H do people still sign up for SSTRs, P2F scams and accept BS contract work? If this argument is true, then none should have to go down that path, as long as you are found qualified by an operator to fly their aircraft, without having to pay for the privilege.
I actually find it quite refreshing to read Bondi`s posts, though it may seem he has a grudge, he is at the same time writing what a growing number of pilots are saying. I will also agree that newspapers, all they way from the tabloid press to the more serious ones, are no experts when it comes to aviation reporting. First, get the jargon straight, then the facts. Of course they are colored either left or right (or wrong). Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet is one of those. Previously, they never wrote anything to criticize O`Kjos. Only happy stuff when he got to play the smiling underdog, you know, the kind we Scandi-folks so much adore. But now, however, the tune has a different melody since said newspaper is leftwing and socialist. The truth might be caught somewhere in-between, but there is no doubt that he is a master of loopholes, and has a nonstandard way of getting his will.
As for employment there, I have no idea at the moment. It appears that things change every now and then, but never for the better. Maybe once or twice to boost morale, but the trend is clearly negative, and the downward spiral is dragging the rest of us towards the drain and into the sewer.
Then why the H do people still sign up for SSTRs, P2F scams and accept BS contract work? If this argument is true, then none should have to go down that path, as long as you are found qualified by an operator to fly their aircraft, without having to pay for the privilege. I actually find it quite refreshing to read Bondi`s posts, though it may seem he has a grudge, he is at the same time writing what a growing number of pilots are saying. I will also agree that newspapers, all they way from the tabloid press to the more serious ones, are no experts when it comes to aviation reporting. First, get the jargon straight, then the facts. Of course they are colored either left or right (or wrong). Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet is one of those. Previously, they never wrote anything to criticize O`Kjos. Only happy stuff when he got to play the smiling underdog, you know, the kind we Scandi-folks so much adore. But now, however, the tune has a different melody since said newspaper is leftwing and socialist. The truth might be caught somewhere in-between, but there is no doubt that he is a master of loopholes, and has a nonstandard way of getting his will.
As for employment there, I have no idea at the moment. It appears that things change every now and then, but never for the better. Maybe once or twice to boost morale, but the trend is clearly negative, and the downward spiral is dragging the rest of us towards the drain and into the sewer.
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There are no end of pilot wannabes just out of the airplane driver factory's with the ink still wet on their licenses and a theory knowlage of FMC that leaves me for dead. Unfortunately you can't base a rapid expansion of an airline on these people without experience in the left seat.
The pilot shortage in Europe is with experienced captains and first officers who are suitable for command.
The pilot shortage in Europe is with experienced captains and first officers who are suitable for command.
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Surprised to see this article is dated Apr 4th , & NOT April 1st as I suspected. . . . . . . I am now truly lost for words
Norwegian Air to hire Turkish pilots
Norwegian Air to hire Turkish pilots
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Not surprising at all. Between 2013 and 2014 NAS hired a significant amount of Ryanair pilots. Then the unpaid leave started and a host of other issues. All of a sudden the music stopped. I don't know of one FO in FR applying to NAS short haul now. I know lots going to BA and lots more that have gone and are going to Thomson and quite a few more gearing up for the next round of Thomson assessment days planned for May I'm told.
Norwegian holding road shows in the Middle East and Turkey is not surprising at all. The supply of experienced Boeing drivers applying to them in Europe has simply ran out I suspect.
Norwegian holding road shows in the Middle East and Turkey is not surprising at all. The supply of experienced Boeing drivers applying to them in Europe has simply ran out I suspect.
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It appears that there is a 787 "Roadshow" in Istanbul, so, I guess they are looking for rated Turkish (Airlines) 777 drivers, rather than the Turkish (nationality ) pilots that the Turkish media would like to insinuate, but, nonetheless . . . . . . . . Yep, they have burned their boats with their seasonal employment malarky in Autumn 2014/ 2015 in terms of attracting ex FR bods.
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Hello guys! I don't know if it is the right post to write this, but I am quite new. 
I have been called from Norwegian for the screening day for the Contracted First Officer B737 position.
I saw that there is a Compass Test the day of the interview? does anyone know what is about?
I also get from the email, that there is no sim assessment... and it looks weird. Does anyone can clarify this things for me? thank you very much in advance.
I have been called from Norwegian for the screening day for the Contracted First Officer B737 position.
I saw that there is a Compass Test the day of the interview? does anyone know what is about?
I also get from the email, that there is no sim assessment... and it looks weird. Does anyone can clarify this things for me? thank you very much in advance.
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Do you have a 737 type rating already?
There are no sim assessments for FO's joining Norwegian, either with or without a type rating. But be careful if you are not type rated, because you have to pay up front for the rating, but they can bin you anytime during the course. No refund!!
There are no sim assessments for FO's joining Norwegian, either with or without a type rating. But be careful if you are not type rated, because you have to pay up front for the rating, but they can bin you anytime during the course. No refund!!
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I am One Norwegian.
I joined this airline because I thought that it was different.
Not blue and yellow, not orange or any other low cost colour you might think of.
Because I thought that Scandinavian values and culture ran right through the company.
I was promised that after 2 years on an agency contract, I would get a Scandinavian one or its equivalent.
It was a lie.
Over 4 years later I find myself working for a company that I never asked to join.
Working for directors and managers that I would never have chosen to work for.
In those years terms and conditions have not been improved.
Not a single thing.
In fact, quite the opposite. New conditions turn up buried in newsletters. I have my life disrupted regularly because the company that refuses to employ me messed up its calculations. I see colleagues unhappily working on board wet-leased aircraft of a standard way lower than we expect.
I see safety reports go unanswered for months, safety reports that are answered with a meaningless template, I see an AOC that refuses to engage with the crew who operate its planes.
I am One Norwegian. Part of a fractured and dysfunctional family of parts that don't co-operate or communicate.
I am One Norwegian reading propaganda on the company Orwellian intranet.
I see great words and ideas written and then see actions that show me something different.
I see a senior management, full of big expansion plans and exciting opportunities, that have become completely disconnected from the reality outside of their own office.
I see the creeping edge of a culture of fear slipping under the door - a tool to be used by those who have created a mess and now have no idea what to do about it.
I am One Norwegian who could be a part of a highly motivated team, full of enthusiastic support and energy for the future of the company.
I am One Norwegian?
I have realised that I am not One Norwegian.
One Norwegian is a hollow promise, an illusion created by THE One Norwegian to blind and deceive us. It is the Emperor's New Clothes.
I am just a crew number.
A part in a machine to be pushed around as the company wishes.
But my work done in that machine will be the very minimum.
Just a pale shadow of what it could be.
And I won't be rushing around either.
My contract will be fulfilled, but nothing more.
Flight schedules and being on time are no longer important to me.
My job will be done thoroughly and safely without regard to how long that takes.
It will always take me 90 minutes to report on a standby call out.
Non standard report times will not be accepted.
Taxiing will be comfortable for my passengers, I will not turn corners quickly or ask for short cuts on the way to the runway.
Fuelling will be monitored and full briefings will be given.
When deciding on the fuel, I will be extra cautious when deciding my fuel uplift.
Minor items will be recorded in the tech log regardless of where I am and flights will stay at the ATC allocated flight level.
In one hundred different ways I will not make any more effort than I need to. If it's not in my contract then I won't do it.
Maybe nobody will notice.
But, although I may not be One Norwegian, I am One of Many.
One of the many that Norwegian will need if it wants to make its plans work.
Perhaps, instead of One Norwegian, we need Team Norwegian.
Where people are treated as a valuable resource instead of an inconvenient expense.
Until then, I will remain what the company has made me.
An uncared about crew number. Unmotivated and uncaring about a company that turned out to be a huge disappointment.
I could be One Norwegian, but my leaders only want a cheap seat filler.
I could be One Norwegian.
But instead I am just one more pissed off pilot.
Updating his logbook and CV, ready to move on....
I joined this airline because I thought that it was different.
Not blue and yellow, not orange or any other low cost colour you might think of.
Because I thought that Scandinavian values and culture ran right through the company.
I was promised that after 2 years on an agency contract, I would get a Scandinavian one or its equivalent.
It was a lie.
Over 4 years later I find myself working for a company that I never asked to join.
Working for directors and managers that I would never have chosen to work for.
In those years terms and conditions have not been improved.
Not a single thing.
In fact, quite the opposite. New conditions turn up buried in newsletters. I have my life disrupted regularly because the company that refuses to employ me messed up its calculations. I see colleagues unhappily working on board wet-leased aircraft of a standard way lower than we expect.
I see safety reports go unanswered for months, safety reports that are answered with a meaningless template, I see an AOC that refuses to engage with the crew who operate its planes.
I am One Norwegian. Part of a fractured and dysfunctional family of parts that don't co-operate or communicate.
I am One Norwegian reading propaganda on the company Orwellian intranet.
I see great words and ideas written and then see actions that show me something different.
I see a senior management, full of big expansion plans and exciting opportunities, that have become completely disconnected from the reality outside of their own office.
I see the creeping edge of a culture of fear slipping under the door - a tool to be used by those who have created a mess and now have no idea what to do about it.
I am One Norwegian who could be a part of a highly motivated team, full of enthusiastic support and energy for the future of the company.
I am One Norwegian?
I have realised that I am not One Norwegian.
One Norwegian is a hollow promise, an illusion created by THE One Norwegian to blind and deceive us. It is the Emperor's New Clothes.
I am just a crew number.
A part in a machine to be pushed around as the company wishes.
But my work done in that machine will be the very minimum.
Just a pale shadow of what it could be.
And I won't be rushing around either.
My contract will be fulfilled, but nothing more.
Flight schedules and being on time are no longer important to me.
My job will be done thoroughly and safely without regard to how long that takes.
It will always take me 90 minutes to report on a standby call out.
Non standard report times will not be accepted.
Taxiing will be comfortable for my passengers, I will not turn corners quickly or ask for short cuts on the way to the runway.
Fuelling will be monitored and full briefings will be given.
When deciding on the fuel, I will be extra cautious when deciding my fuel uplift.
Minor items will be recorded in the tech log regardless of where I am and flights will stay at the ATC allocated flight level.
In one hundred different ways I will not make any more effort than I need to. If it's not in my contract then I won't do it.
Maybe nobody will notice.
But, although I may not be One Norwegian, I am One of Many.
One of the many that Norwegian will need if it wants to make its plans work.
Perhaps, instead of One Norwegian, we need Team Norwegian.
Where people are treated as a valuable resource instead of an inconvenient expense.
Until then, I will remain what the company has made me.
An uncared about crew number. Unmotivated and uncaring about a company that turned out to be a huge disappointment.
I could be One Norwegian, but my leaders only want a cheap seat filler.
I could be One Norwegian.
But instead I am just one more pissed off pilot.
Updating his logbook and CV, ready to move on....
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Do you have a 737 type rating already?
There are no sim assessments for FO's joining Norwegian, either with or without a type rating. But be careful if you are not type rated, because you have to pay up front for the rating, but they can bin you anytime during the course. No refund!!
There are no sim assessments for FO's joining Norwegian, either with or without a type rating. But be careful if you are not type rated, because you have to pay up front for the rating, but they can bin you anytime during the course. No refund!!
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One Norwegian, it took me many years to realise that when you work for a company that at the end of the day no one there really cares about you.
Your extra effort is not appreciated or even acknowledged. No extra pay for caring.
I know exactly where you are coming from. Bit if a nasty shock isn't it?
Now I just go to work and have the best day I can.
Do a search here for "I am an army of one". It was quite a few years ago now.
Your extra effort is not appreciated or even acknowledged. No extra pay for caring.
I know exactly where you are coming from. Bit if a nasty shock isn't it?
Now I just go to work and have the best day I can.
Do a search here for "I am an army of one". It was quite a few years ago now.
