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Does TOM operate a Dublin Base during the Summer....? as I have heard they need about 30 guys , Do you think they will have trouble attracting these guys I mean will FR guys jump ship even with future uncertainty and if guys do not jump are there many more 737 ng drivers out of work with 1k hours on type...?
A friend of mine recently went on a High St Travel Agent booked holiday to the Red Sea and flew with easyJet - pre purchased seats on the aircraft by the Tour Operator.
In terms of job security - all airlines have their unique risks. The LoCo's for example will move assets around the network to maximise profit - if you can't go with them, then.... redundant. I think the TOM package looks pretty good for a relatively new/young FO and if I were on a flexi PARC/CTC contract I'd give it some serious consideration. If I were already on a permanent contract with a stable airline - difficult one.
Type/base/Canada are all on seniority, as they should be. With the 757 reducing and the 787 still quite senior, don't think your driving anything other than a 737 soon.
As for Sunwing, this is coming to the end of its second full year and on paper is good for the summer/winter imbalance of both airlines. Tui brought into Sunwing and apparently the financial figures are stacking up well. The Canadians cover Dublin as they fly to their own SOP's etc, so it would be hard to integrate them into a Thomson base.
Speak to 100 pilots about their airline and you will get 100 answers, I don't look at it through rose tinted glasses, quite the opposite! I have a healthy number below me on the seniority list, but I still think, without the relatively minor changes in our working practices, I could have been out of a job in a couple of years. The legacy t&c's of Britannia/First Choice were unsustainable-eventually. Sure your not going to leave BA to work for us, but......
The only time we will no if we made the right choices in this industry, is the day we retire!
Oh, as my colleague a few posts said, I think, as things stand, you can take your 10 years to command and nearly double it!
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From the outside looking in, this looks like the best of a bad bunch in terms of the options available to the recruitment team.
Thomson appear to be coming good to their word to those made redundant a few years back, and putting an option in front of the baby drivers. This should be applauded.
However, Thomson cast a handful (maybe 20) of their cadets back to the sea at the end of their training in 06/07. These cadets had committed to the program, backed it with their own cash, and saw it to completion. Even now, not a look in unless they found themselves on a 737 in the mean time. Shame.
However, Thomson cast a handful (maybe 20) of their cadets back to the sea at the end of their training in 06/07. These cadets had committed to the program, backed it with their own cash, and saw it to completion. Even now, not a look in unless they found themselves on a 737 in the mean time. Shame.
They did the same to me in 1991, although they did honour their promise of a job 5 years later in 1996!
In a world where the scheduled carriers have been expanding relentlessly, eg FR/EZY/EK et al, whereas the charters have just been "consolidating", ie shrinking and merging, is surely that they will soon be benchmarking Ts and Cs with the competition in order to survive. So how long will Thomson remain at the top of the list of preferred employers?
Over Dover Over's post above matches exactly my concerns for the future of Tour Operator's in-house airlines, although the Thomson/Britannia CC have a long history of saving the airline from idiotic commercial management.
Quote: ''The £7000 is to pay for your Operator conversion course (3 weeks of ground school and sim) and the costs associated with your line training (effectively the safety pilot for the first few sectors and the check capt on your final line check).''
About five times what it actually costs. What a crock of sh!t.
I am at a loss of words to see how people think that this is a good deal
You might call me bitter & twisted as I was one of the 100 or so F/O's who was given the boot a few years ago. But honestly Thomson was one of the best airlines I worked for when I was there... Sad to see what it has become nowadays, I definitely won't be applying to return on this package
As far as people offering better packages in the UK @ the moment, Monarch's offering is far superior to this And I haven't checked the figures but I suspect even Jet 2 might be offering better than this... Well at least its full time and you don't have to pay for your training
Very sad to see Thomson has jumped on the P2F bandwagon
And yes Thomson never promised they would take us back on when they recruited again.. But why the hell do they want us to jump through all the recruitment hoops again? Seeing as they are into saving money nowadays why not just look @ our files and do a quick interview That would tell them far more than any 2 day HR process does
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SPD 1. they undoubtedly will take a good look through the file for anyone returning 2. If they did the above without some form of recruitment process that would be technically illegal. 3. You never know, maybe the assessment may turn out to be a lot simpler than in the past (but i certainly wouldn't bet on it)
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zoigberg,
With all due respect, point 2 is not correct.
It is perfectly legal (and a good idea) to allow certian applicants to skip parts of a recruitment process if they have already completed it to the necessary standard before. I have seen it with my own eyes on several occasions.
I think SCD is completely reasonable in his opinion.
Ex Thomson chaps who got the boot should be offered a job with little more than an interview. Fair and legal.
Not sure too many would disagree?
Ironically the offer isn't good enough for them though!
Boeing Europe, I'm not wanting to be Pedantic but I'd make sure you spell the company name properly. Yes, the PPRuNe spelling squad hits again! Just saying because I know how much you probably want the position. Best of luck.
Very well,good on them on avoiding the Antichrists (CTC & CAE/OAA) but also, rated with 300hrs calls for the Lion Air guys...Either way,I think is a good opportunity, one that Modular me cannot apply. I cannot believe British pilots allowed their market to get to this, there's absolutely no application windows, no opportunities for this route, which to me is dead.I would advise anyone pondering to start flying, go Integrated/cadetship, if you can't fight it....! I'm about to bin my licence when I saw the 737NG+300hrs...God have mercy on us... Good luck to those applying and to those bitching,remember it could be a lot worse!!Good luck
Boeing Europe you had a p in Thomson earlier don't be so silly and take a bit of constructive criticism on the chin you are going to need to when working in an airline!
Anyways back to the thread as you did ask a good question
There was a "P" in it earlier as you can see underneath I edited it , also hence the smileys after my post , I appreciate that callsign kilo pointed it out to e.
The reason you have to go through the whole process is partly employment law trash, partly to see if the good guys who left have become axe murderes in the last 2 years and partly to see if the bad guys have got better. Kind of simplistic but that's the gist of it.
As for the package, I beg to differ.
I personally think this is a good deal for future joiners be they cadets or experienced bods but then I would say that, I was part of the CC that negotiated it.
Equally, someone commented on the £7K cost of the OCC being a crock, about 1/5th of that I think you quoted? Could you PM me a detailed breakdown of that coz I'd love to present it to the company?
