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Would any new Ryanair F/O's be prepared to E-mail me to discuss Ryanair terms and conditions as they were when they joined. I am considering applying, and would like to get a more accurate view of the company and its working conditions. Thanks very much in advance.
I've heard that, although its schedules are not so bad, it's not a "career" airline by any means. A lot of people go to get hours and then look elsewhere.... EasyJet and BMI might be looking for 737 pilots - especially on the NG at Easy (although most hiring at Easy is in the Bus). I'd consider Thomsonfly as well - I hear they are expanding and have pretty good conditions.
if you want just money and no life,join ryanair. if you want less money and good life quality,you will find it elsewhere. don't underestimate how bad it is in ryanair.
I am a First Officer in Ryanair and here is exactly how I am being payed in the first 12 months:
Type rating (4-6 WEEKS):
No pay
You then wait 2-4 weeks for base training without pay. After base training you are on the training contract basic rate for 6 months. This is an annual rate of 8700 pounds. However, you do not start getting payed this until after line training. Line training takes 2-3 months so you are therefore only payed on this rate for 3-4 months. Sounds complicated? It is purposely so.Not only that, but the company reduces this initial rate by 1000 pounds every year or so without notice. Next year you might therefore expect the rate to be 7700 pounds.
So, from the start of type rating until conclusion of line training you will only have earned about 750 pounds (half sector pay after safety pilot release and no basic salary yet).
About 3.5 months now remain until you finish your training contract. On the annual rate of 8700 (remember this will reduce eventually) you will earn 2530 basic in this time. Also, you will earn 2800 sector pay.
To sum up so far:
Day 1 to completion of line check ( 4 months) = 750 pounds
Line check to end of training contract (3.5 months) = 5330 pounds
Total after 7.5 months with the company = 6080 pounds.
It will now have been 6 months since base check. You will now go on the basic second officer terms. This amounts to a basic annual rate of 14000 pounds and half sector pay for a further 6 months.
In these 6 months you will therefore earn 7000 pounds basic and about 4800 pounds sector pay. This basic rate is also being reduced annually without notice.
Ok, here are the final figures (before tax) for the first 12 months after the base check:
Basic pay: 9530 pounds
Sector pay: 8350 pounds
Total: 17880 Pounds.
You can expect to remain on second officer pay scale for 18 months after line check. This will probably increase to a greater time period as time goes by.
Truly awful wages. However, who becomes a pilot with the goal of becoming rich? Nobody sane. It's a sad fact that this business does not pay well relative to other occupations and there is scant respect for pilots as well. We are viewed as glorified bus drivers - commodities willing to wh0re ourselves out to build time...
Well, get your valuable 737NG time and then leave for greener pastures - just don't expect the pastures to be "much" greener...
Riker, why do you think that is? Might be something to do with the fact that alot of you youngsters are willing to bend over and grab your ankles and so lose sight of the real value that should be applied to our profession. Bus drivers my ass, the only ******* who use that term for us are management.
Don't forget that before the enormous pay packet, you also have to fork out 23000 Euros for the type rating, at your own expense and risk, with no guarantee of employment (though it is fair to say the prospect of employment is high).
At least with some other lo-co operators, basic pay is much higher from the word go, and type rating loans are repaid to you over a (typically) 3 year period, though the initial risk and costs are still your own, also without any guarantee of employment.
I dont think its entirely fair to comment that Ryanair always delivers what they say they will...they dont always "do what it says on the can"...
From the point of view of a type of flight crew of which Ryanair is already short of, yes, they will try and avoid scaring one away...
from the point of view of an F/O, against the long line of 200hr newborns, they will lie to you and constantly change the rules at every opportunity...
I have colleagues who have now been told they can wait another 6 months for their promotion...others are being informed the first 6 months after initial line check of half sector pay is now 6 months after permanent contract...
don't do it !!
(and more respect)
Bus drivers my ass, the only ******* who use that term for us are management. 
Ryanair...
