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As a retired BA pilot, I lose all my Staff Travel at the age of 89, i.e. my length of service added to my retirement age. This is, as I understand it the rule within BA, so a BMI retiree won't have any service with BA, consequently no staff travel. Since I probably won't make that age, it doesn't matter to me but it might to my wife. It also matters enormously to those ex BA pilots who retired after a relatively short career.
89? bloody hell, by that age I expect to be sitting in a bath chair dribbling and raving about hearing bells, not jetting off round the world.
On a personal note, when I retire I intend to never set foot in either an aircraft or more especially an airport ever again. Enough already. Imagine suffering all the bullsh*t at Delhi or any US city on a voluntary basis.
But then I am known as a grumpy old git.
Wish I could just waltz into BA. Tried the conventional way enough times.
When I was employed by bmi I enjoyed excellent staff travel with BA. On every occassion everyone went out of their way to get me on when flights were fully booked, including a couple of jump seat rides. I cannot praise the company highly enough.
Retirees have, until October, a very good concession package, which will be swept way through no fault of our own. If bmi had gone belly-up fair enough but as it was sold as a going concern I feel somewhat aggrieved by this turn of events
It's just a bit annoying that over thirty years of service don't count one for one jot at the end of the day.
Something about monkeys and nuts springs to mind
Last edited by MaximumPete; 13th Jul 2012 at 16:59.
I am not sure why retired BMI pilots would expect any staff travel concessions from BA, given that their airline is now defunct. If you were to lose your pensions, that would be an absolute tragedy that would have to be challenged - but to lose staff travel concessions for an airline you never worked a day for? I am a slight loss to understand the problem. Your airline no longer exists therefore there is no airline to give you staff travel benefits - how unfair is that?
I've never used concession travel in the last twelve years but I know some of my ex-colleagues use it regularly.
AdeM, yes I've never worked for BA and yes I used to use my concession travel with them a lot in the 1980s. It was part of the deal, so can't work out your logic
777D, I recommend Queens Grill on all the Cunard ships, luxury without the aggro of sinking and embarking and disembarking is a damn sight easier than LHR on a quiet day, if there is ever one.
BB, My thoughts are never far away from the unenviable plight of all the bmibaby employees, not just the pilots
To all those saying tough s***t there is a wider point here. BMI has been sold as a going concern along with all the extras that come with an operating company many of which are part and parcel of the employees terms and conditions.
Now staff who have retired already are having those terms altered and as things stand there is nothing they can do about it. Yes we all have sympathy with the BMI Baby staff not just the pilots but that does not mean that it is acceptable for BA to behave in this manner.
Several wrongs do not make it ok for the smallest wrong to go ahead.
Did you used to get staff travel with LH, the old owners of BMI?
BMI doesn't even exist anymore! It was bought. It was for sale in the first place because it was doing s***e. The alternative may have been a lot worse...then who would you blame for having no staff travel? Why would it ever make business sense to offer staff travel to the retirees of a company you have just bought?
If you don't have staff travel anymore, blame BMI (RIP), they put themselves in a position where they became up for sale.
In an amazing revelation today it emerged that the evil company BA is not a charity. Apparently it will not give lucrative retirement benefits to people that never worked for it. Who will stop this evil monster from its vile excesses? Why are the government sitting idly by while this corporate monster runs amok with innocent people's lives? This correspondent will not rest until this outrageous injustice is addressed and everyone that has not ever been employed by BA has these subsidised travel perks. This wrong must be righted!
now i must admit i have taken less of a interest since the main question of do i or dont i have a job was answered but I could be sure that the balpa news letter on friday stated that pilots will have their bmi service counted towards their ba staff travel benefits in retirement. This was indeed a improvement on what was previously offered. I would hope baby pilots would be more of a priority for discussion but your correct two wrongs dont make a right.
It most certainly does exist. It holds its own AOC and is a fully owned subsidiary of IAG who unfortunately, instead of making a break with the over staffed, union dominated and bloated operations which they already own, have decided to integrate the company into one them.
I'm with you Juan Tugoh, let us not remain silent anymore! I cannot sit idly by with such injustice! While we are at it can we also see if I could get some free space travel as I quite like the idea of that and NASA are not currently flying there!!
When BA bought BMI, why is it wrong to assume they should also honour retirees benefits of BMI?
Please tutor us more on the correct way in which we should think. Perhaps a more Germanic way would be better? Perhaps the example of Lufty and their truly vile and appalling treatment of the BMI guys with regard to their pensions would be a good place to start.
Get your own house in order before you elect to try and correct our thinking - that last post was some of the most hypocritical nonsense I have seen posted on this forum.
Turn your critical eye on yourself before you choose to lecture others on the way they think.
you" attitude is not far short of digusting.
