SunExpress Recruitment

[Scott_T]

Are they taking experienced expat FO's again?

[Clandestino]

I have heard that those commuting contracted captains have earnt around 8 to 9k per month last year with over flights.

It's not year's average. Could be summertime one.

[me179]

DGCA rule regarding foreigner FOs

Does anybody know, if there are foreigner FOs being currently hired, other than those coming from Stella?

I have heard that the turkish DGCA wants to reduce the number of foreigner FOs working in Turkey to leave space for new Turkish graduates. Can anyone please send me a link to that rule? I have searched the DGCA website, but didn't get the information.

[TypeIV]

Stella is the only way unless you have a Turkish passport or have alot of experience combined with very good connections.

[me179]

Thanks for your answer.

Do you know, if there are any restrictions from the turkish DGCA concerning reducing or stopping low hrs. foreign FOs to be flying in Turkey? If yes, can you provide me with a link to their published rules?

thanks

[TypeIV]

It's here somewhere on the forum but it's in turkish. Yes there is such a restriction regarding low hour FOs but I don't remember any details. That's why companies only take people through AB-Initio schools paying them money to take their students, or like atlas and freebird selling line training.

[me179]

The turkish DGCA rule for foreigner low hours FOs

I searched all over the forum, I went to the DGCA website, Google was my friend and Translator, however I didn't find it. Can anyone provide me with a link?

I get contradicting news from the turkish carriers. On one hand they are still hiring low hours pilots, on the other hand some refer to a DGCA rule that I've never seen on their website, and on a third hand (if this term is correct), they do accept foreign LowHour FOs who buy their own TR and LT.. The question is, are these FOs kicked out after the 500 hours LT or do they stay longer till they at least break even and leave with 1500+ hrs ?

Anyone here who had the experience?

[DutchExpat]

This the problem they will change the rules as suits them. We went from IST base is growing to oh its closing to oh sorry we need 500 people in IST to oh it is probably closing again in say 3/4 of a year. You never know. This job is great for a purpose. Get the type rating, you ll gain some amazing experience flying wise and cultural wise which you ll take with you for the rest of your life and the money is quite good if you get paid in Euros. But your are a guest in a very proud country. A temporary guest and sometimes an unwelcome guest. Know this accept it and you ll have a great time and have a plan for the future as this 100% is not a permanent gig for anybody but the Turish. All my humble opion ofcourse.

[Global_Global]

they do accept foreign LowHour FOs who buy their own TR and LT.. The question is, are these FOs kicked out after the 500 hours LT or do they stay longer till they at least break even and leave with 1500+ hrs ?

You are confusing some companies: Freebird, Atlas and Pegasus used to do LT programs. SunExpress has never done line training programs but used to have a one yearcontract to start you of with. The reason they are still hiring and training low time FO's is because a lot of foreign SXS FO's went to become FO at Turkish once they had enough hours (SXS is a joint venture between Lufthansa and Turkish airlines)

The rest is 100% like DutchExpat is saying..

[Fanor]

Just a warning for all the low hour expats wanting to work in Turkey. Unless you have done your national service or bought your way out you will not be eligible to work in Turkey as a pilot.

[TypeIV]

@Fanor, I you are referring to military service, then I can inform you that you are incorrect.

[Fanor]

I'm telling you this from first hand experience dealing with sun express and freebird airlines. No national service = no job.

[despegue]

Fanor,

Yes,this is correct if you are a Turkish national.
Obviously, foreigners are exempt

[Fanor]

Yep. That's why I said "expats be warned". But they are cutting foreign pilots now, or will be soon due to a new DGCA ruling on the percentage of foreign pilots they can have.

[TypeIV]

Fanor, no there's a big batch of people on the way in, DECs and first officers from Stella.

They will never require a foreigner to have their military status completed. So nothing to be warned about.

There is a limitation on the amount of foreign first officers that they can have, that is true, but nothing regarding DECs. Also for the Stella guys, they have a way around this limitation. However the future is uncertain regarding how much capacity they will produce, therefor there are no guarantees.
But where do you have any guarantees?

[me179]

Update: Low Hours FOs for the aviation job market in Turkey

I conclude, concerning foreign low hours FOs intending to work / fly in Turkey:

1. Concerning SunExpress: Stella is the only way to step in, provided that the FO is under 32 years of age.

2. Everyone has heard of the DGCA rule limiting the number of foreign FOs, but noone has it written or can provide a link from the DGCA website.

3. Everyone knows that Turkish Airlines is in bad need for pilots. Any chance to slip in for an EU foreign low hour pilot? On their job openings at their website it's officially not possible if the applicant is not a Turkish citizen, or a foreigner without experience (hours on jets). HOWEVER, I do hear from time to time about freigner low hours pilots who slipped in. Any contact / Email to send an application to?

4. As for buying a TR and LT at Atlas Jet / Pegasus / Freebird, I didn't find such information on their websites. I believe, the deal should be done through a sub-contractor. Can anyone here provide me with a contact?

Thanks

[mittr]

Assessment

Hi folks!

Is there anyone who could share his/her experience with mollymawk screening and the next stages afterwords?

What is the current situation at sxs, oulook, t&c's, atmosphere....thanks in advance

[Tyreplug]

I spent about three weeks solid preparing for mollymawk as I was at school some time age. It is do-able with preparation unless or without if you have not long finished maths/science GCSE/A'level.
Working memory test is what everyone finds most difficult.
Sim OK but also a couple of hours practice before is big help - Virtual Cambridge. Raw data departure, engine fail, NDB approach that sort of thing. Allowed to use the FPV.
Interview with HR, pilot and German psychologist who makes you feel at ease and then tries to get you agitated or angry - asks bizarre questions of which the answer is probably not that important but the way you handle them.
On line, interesting work, but very hard work. The roster is often a work of fantasy and subject to constant changes. Eat, sleep, fly mostly. They generally look after you ok and leave you pretty much alone to get on with the job. Others may see things differently to me - best of luck

[Scott_T]

ANy idea when they will recruit expat fo's again?

[TypeIV]

They recruit some Ab initio pilots from time to time, but it's only from one contracted school which supplies as many as they can legally have. Expansions seem to be over and don't count on a way in other than as a DEC or Stella graduate.