Fancy flying the Dreamliner? Here you go...
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Fancy flying the Dreamliner? Here you go...
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Boeing B787 Dreamliner Pilot Jobs
Recruiter Rishworth Aviation
Posted 05 April 2012
Ref Boeing B787 Dreamliner
Location Bangkok, Thailand
Sector Flight Crew - Captain, Flight Crew - Co-pilot, Flight Crew - First Officer, Flight Crew - Pilot, Flight Crew - Captain/Instructor, Flight Crew - Senior First Officer
Contract Type Contract
Hours Full Time
Salary .
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Further information
Norwegian Long Haul A/S will be starting Long Haul flights with the B787 Dreamliner in early 2013 and is now looking for experienced Boeing pilots.
Minimum requirements for all positions on the B787 Dreamliner
Pilots who don't yet meet these experience requirements are also invited to register and update their details at Rishworth Aviation Homepage - Rishworth Aviation. When your experience matches our position requirements, we will be able to notify you of positions which you qualify for, which may be of interest to you
Boeing B787 Dreamliner Pilot Jobs
Recruiter Rishworth Aviation
Posted 05 April 2012
Ref Boeing B787 Dreamliner
Location Bangkok, Thailand
Sector Flight Crew - Captain, Flight Crew - Co-pilot, Flight Crew - First Officer, Flight Crew - Pilot, Flight Crew - Captain/Instructor, Flight Crew - Senior First Officer
Contract Type Contract
Hours Full Time
Salary .
Further information
Norwegian Long Haul A/S will be starting Long Haul flights with the B787 Dreamliner in early 2013 and is now looking for experienced Boeing pilots.
Minimum requirements for all positions on the B787 Dreamliner
- JAA license
- EU passport holder
- JAA medical Class one
- Current on B737, B747, B757, B767 or B777
- Preference will be given to pilots with long haul experience especially from Boeing B777
Pilots who don't yet meet these experience requirements are also invited to register and update their details at Rishworth Aviation Homepage - Rishworth Aviation. When your experience matches our position requirements, we will be able to notify you of positions which you qualify for, which may be of interest to you
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As usual, if the price is right... Besides, for 777 guys there is nearly no training as 777 and 787 are on a common type rating. Three days at most from what we were told by boeing.
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Been in the Gatwick 787 sim , very nice touches , but I think any modern jet pilot could transition no probs , maybe a 777 dude would have a slight edge , but why would you go to an LCC unless you wanted to live in SIN ?
And , lets face it , the deal cannot be that good money-wise / rent -wise , otherwise they would happily let their Scandi based crew fly it ?
And , lets face it , the deal cannot be that good money-wise / rent -wise , otherwise they would happily let their Scandi based crew fly it ?
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I wonder if the mentioned salaries are before tax? If so that would be aprox. 25-30 % below my current salary for flying a 737!
What about the type rating- any bond or is it self funded?
What about the type rating- any bond or is it self funded?
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Bizzare. So, if I were a current Norwegian 737NG pilot I would be PI$$ED! They would be exporting my longhaul flying opportunities... What, only expats are experienced enough to fly the 787? Really? I guess European 737NG time is worthless to them? 
I suppose they will get a few Virgin Australia, Malaysian or Thai pilots with 777 time. But why leave a stable job for this contract? Hope those pilots enjoy flights to cold Norway during the winter...
Can a current Norwegian 737NG pilot based in Norway bid for the 787 Bangkok domicile - or is it a completely separate contract?
Clearly they are doing this for economic reasons, but what is the point of hiring 737NG pilots in Norway if they can't also promote them to the longhaul airplanes? I just don't get it... Anyone care to rationalize it for me?
It is a Rishworth contract. That said, will there be any Norwegian 787 pilots based in Oslo - or will all 787 drivers be located out of country (i.e., in Thailand) on a separate contract? What percentage of 787 seats will go to the Rishworth contract vs. internal pilots?
I suppose they will get a few Virgin Australia, Malaysian or Thai pilots with 777 time. But why leave a stable job for this contract? Hope those pilots enjoy flights to cold Norway during the winter...
Can a current Norwegian 737NG pilot based in Norway bid for the 787 Bangkok domicile - or is it a completely separate contract?Clearly they are doing this for economic reasons, but what is the point of hiring 737NG pilots in Norway if they can't also promote them to the longhaul airplanes? I just don't get it... Anyone care to rationalize it for me?
It is a Rishworth contract. That said, will there be any Norwegian 787 pilots based in Oslo - or will all 787 drivers be located out of country (i.e., in Thailand) on a separate contract? What percentage of 787 seats will go to the Rishworth contract vs. internal pilots?
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Norwegian pilots must apply through the contract agencies like everybody else. In order to switch to the contract, Norwegian pilots are granted 3 years of leave of absence from their permanent positions. Oh the joy....
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I don't agree with it, but I suppose that "outsourcing" is the only way low cost long might work. They avoid the scandi taxes and social taxes. Not to mention the union pressure.
I wonder how many 777 guys that would be willing to work for that salary, also have a JAR licence and EU passport?
I must admit, when I first saw the ad I thought it was a type-o or someone taking the piss.
Anyway, there will be always someone willing to do it. Even at half that rate.
interesting times.
I wonder how many 777 guys that would be willing to work for that salary, also have a JAR licence and EU passport?
I must admit, when I first saw the ad I thought it was a type-o or someone taking the piss.
Anyway, there will be always someone willing to do it. Even at half that rate.
interesting times.
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10K euro for skippers
7k euro for relief skippes
6k euros for F/Os.
Sort out your own accommodations. Figures above includes all per diems and flightpay.
7k euro for relief skippes
6k euros for F/Os.
Sort out your own accommodations. Figures above includes all per diems and flightpay.
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Very interesting. I wonder how many current Norwegian pilots would consider that. Would they get any preference given their current Norwegian status? Probably not. Personally, if I were in that situation, I'd consider a 3-year Thailand vacation to fly the 787. Returning to chilly Oslo after 3 years in the heat and humidity would be an interesting transition.
Another question: will all of the 787 pilot slots be based outside of Scandinavia?
This idea that longhaul opportunities can be exported to keep longhaul costs down is a dangerous idea for pilots in my opinion. This is a dangerous precedent for our profession - Jetstar Asia moving to Hong Kong (and already Singapore and Japan) and now Norwegian basing aircraft in Asia. Why not outsource the entire pilot operation to the Congo or to India? The 200+ new Boeings and Neos could be flown by cheaper Eastern Europeans or Ukranians - they are located not too far from Scandinavia. It would be far cheaper than employing pilots in high-taxed Scandinavia. Right? I understand the economic rationale in the LCC world. Margins are tight and competition intense. I understand that. But we are not talking about a major increase in 787 airframes and total number of pilots impacted - maybe 10-18 787s according to some articles. Basing pilots and airplanes in Bangkok seems a bit extreme considering the small number of pilots on the 787 relative to the huge numbers to be flying the 737 Max and Neo in the years to come.
I am not as familiar with Norwegian as I am with Ryan/Easy. How are Norwegian pilots responding to this exportation of their longhaul opportunities? Are they as pi$$ed as I would be? Is there a union involved? Will there be a lot of applications internally for the 3-year Thailand/787 vacation?
Very interesting. I wonder how many current Norwegian pilots would consider that. Would they get any preference given their current Norwegian status? Probably not. Personally, if I were in that situation, I'd consider a 3-year Thailand vacation to fly the 787. Returning to chilly Oslo after 3 years in the heat and humidity would be an interesting transition.
Another question: will all of the 787 pilot slots be based outside of Scandinavia?
This idea that longhaul opportunities can be exported to keep longhaul costs down is a dangerous idea for pilots in my opinion. This is a dangerous precedent for our profession - Jetstar Asia moving to Hong Kong (and already Singapore and Japan) and now Norwegian basing aircraft in Asia. Why not outsource the entire pilot operation to the Congo or to India? The 200+ new Boeings and Neos could be flown by cheaper Eastern Europeans or Ukranians - they are located not too far from Scandinavia. It would be far cheaper than employing pilots in high-taxed Scandinavia. Right? I understand the economic rationale in the LCC world. Margins are tight and competition intense. I understand that. But we are not talking about a major increase in 787 airframes and total number of pilots impacted - maybe 10-18 787s according to some articles. Basing pilots and airplanes in Bangkok seems a bit extreme considering the small number of pilots on the 787 relative to the huge numbers to be flying the 737 Max and Neo in the years to come.
I am not as familiar with Norwegian as I am with Ryan/Easy. How are Norwegian pilots responding to this exportation of their longhaul opportunities? Are they as pi$$ed as I would be? Is there a union involved? Will there be a lot of applications internally for the 3-year Thailand/787 vacation?
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As far as I know there will be no 787-crewes based in Scandinavia.
The Norwegian-pilots are quite disappointed and pissed. They have a union and they have numerous issues with the company. I wouldn't be too surprised by some sort of action or strike at some point.
As far as I know there will be no 787-crewes based in Scandinavia.
The Norwegian-pilots are quite disappointed and pissed. They have a union and they have numerous issues with the company. I wouldn't be too surprised by some sort of action or strike at some point.
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Just apply directly to the Norwegian 787 position in Bangkok if you meet the minimums, stay 3 years, and then get a 777 or another 787 job somewhere else...
The fact that Norwegian's management is even trying this is just ballsey in my opinion. They are asking for a fight. Yes, I would be upset and pi$$ed if I were a Norwegian pilot right now.
Norwegian's exporting of longhaul flying opportunities is not a good precedent for other airline pilot groups either. What's next? Iberia exporting international operations (A340 jobs) to pilots based in Colombia or Venezuela? Certainly could find cheaper pilots in those locations....
Just apply directly to the Norwegian 787 position in Bangkok if you meet the minimums, stay 3 years, and then get a 777 or another 787 job somewhere else...
The fact that Norwegian's management is even trying this is just ballsey in my opinion. They are asking for a fight. Yes, I would be upset and pi$$ed if I were a Norwegian pilot right now.
Norwegian's exporting of longhaul flying opportunities is not a good precedent for other airline pilot groups either. What's next? Iberia exporting international operations (A340 jobs) to pilots based in Colombia or Venezuela? Certainly could find cheaper pilots in those locations....
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