2011=3% increased basic, but 3.3% REDUCTION in sector pay, hence nett increase of 0.5% overall.
2012= 2% on basic, 0% on sector pay. This = about 1.5% on overall pay.
Nett result over 4 years....
CPI compound inflation 17% -2% pay rise = Total Pay DECREASE of 15% in real terms.
The race to the bottom continues.....
Where is the future.....please debate
Who wants to stay/leave given the above....please debate
Thinking of joining given these constant pay reductions inflation adjusted?
Management Bullies, TRE's with as little as 500 Hrs command, F/O's Instructing you in sim.
Join and end up someplace in the back end of Europe possibly on 5/3 roster. Term and Conditions eroded at every opportunity. Experience and hence safety levels getting severely reduced, becoming a bit of a joke!
Ryanair have SFI's. BA and Aer Lingus have FOs who are sim instructors also. 500hr command time TREs will have either been SFIs or TRIs previously. If there is anything positive to take out of Ryanair, it is the training. This has been said before and the rest has been talked to death. Move on.
(Applying full rudder in the hope of correcting this profound thread drift...).
Pilots are too often introspective, failing to see the wider picture. Pilot salaries and terms and conditions should probably only be evaluated in the context of the company's, industry's, and wider economy's, performance.
There are many tools on the web which will allow those who wish to, to examine Ryanair's performance as a company.
On a positive note, in my experience, both the financial and operational success (in terms of not having accidents - several European carriers are statistically well overdue a 'big one' in the simplest terms) depend on a high quality training department.
Training FOs can bring signifcant benefits, as can FOs in management (if they're the right ones!).
However, nothing will ever either persuade me to get onto a Ryanair aircraft or work for them.
Ryanair has done more to drive standards down to the shocking levels at which they reside in so many areas than any other carrier. A sad consequence of the free market's interaction with the modern consumer who knows the price of everything and value of nothing is that where they lead, others must follow.
Training used to good....not anymore. They are pushing literally anyone with 3000hrs of LNAV/VNAV to upgrade to the left hand seat regardless of their maturity, readiness and proven experience; on top of that most of the trainers are now made in house so the focus is merely on SOPs but with a total lack of actual flying skills and professional maturity. What they teach is what they read, there is almost no passage of experience. You sum that to the ever eroding T&C'S and the tax scandals that are unfolding lately and the results are pretty depressing......
Friends of mine who joined Ryanair in the early days seem to enjoy working there, but they are, as I understand it, on old contracts which pay well.
I'm the first to have a go at the pay to fly brigade. They are truly the lowest of the low and command my utter disrespect.
Above them, granted, there is a creeping malaise of erosion of terms and conditions, let alone pay.
Here, though, my significant gripe is with the management, who have raped cost out of the business until there is not even the faintest whiff of quality past.
Given what I've heard recently about certain share transactions, the future may be quite interesting... Has the backside fallen out of the business model? Is the whole thing, effectively, a shadow of some giant Ponzi scheme of aircraft dealing? We shall wait and see.
Congratulations Olicana on your first time passes and gaining your frozen ATPL.
One assumes with your comments you are able to pick and choose which airline you will join. After all, those first time passes and a frozen ATPL will surely guarantee you a job right?
Money in the bank, a fATPL, and first time passes now make you able to go one step further and dictate to those professionals that work for Ryanair. It's simple, as you put it. You couldn't possibly lower your standards to work for Ryanair. After all, us simple lower class folk shouldn't moan and should simply either not join in first place, or leave, we're all a bunch of moaners are we? You can't always run away to solve problems.
Whilst part of your post I agree with, I might suggest you have a lot to learn for the future. A good many people have invested heavily in their careers at Ryanair, have families, and simply can't solve things by just leaving. Also to insinuate it's just the free market that causes the problem demonstrates a profound lack of knowledge of the problems that exist.
You should talk to a few folk who have been around. They will tell you the same, a licence and first time passes do not guarantee you a job my friend. There are many many highly professional flight crew out there without jobs, that have type ratings and buckets full of experience that you may be lucky to gain over the next 15 years. So before you dictate, look in the mirror.
I hope paying over that cash in the bank for a rating works out. After all what airline wouldn't take you? As you state, you can work without pay for a while.
Don't you think you are part of the problem, rather than the solution? CRM my friend, rule 1, get along with everyone you meet, don't act too smart, it's a small world out there. Look after all your colleagues whatever company they work for.
The terms and conditions and changes in Ryanair have a nasty habit of influencing the rest of the industry, and will affect you regardless of the company you work for.
The pontification from the ignoratii here is staggering. Either some of you don't work in this industry, or you should be ashamed of yourself. You accuse Ryanair pilots of not sticking together when all you can do is criticise them for trying to make a living and support their families in very trying circumstances, whilst accusing them of being worse than the company themselves. Just listen to yourselves. There is a huge amount going on in Ryanair at the moment to try and improve things. It is being very carefully and very deliberately planned. If your knowledge of that is limited to what you read here, then please try and avoid commenting on it unless you wish to support Ryanair pilots. Please check out REPA guys and girls. There is important stuff going on there in a constructive atmosphere. PPRuNe is being spoiled by people hiding behind the anonymity of the internet - I'm pretty sure that most of you wouldn't make some of the dimwitted comments above to a Ryanair pilot's face would you? Frankly, I'd quite like to see that if you really would. Perhaps try thinking about that before starting to type.
joe, You smell so much of management... Olicana has done the right thing. If many people have done the same the profession wouldn't have gone down the tubes. I bet he can look himself in the mirror, unlike many who have sold their souls for peanuts with the excuse that they have to support their families. If they hadn't sold their souls that cheap they could be supporting their families a lot better.
If you have the flight times and you fit the entry requirements, how about apply to Emirates/Qatar/Etihad/Flydubai? Some of those choices are better than others (look at Middle East board). Get some time in the sun. Don't put up with that embarrassing CEO putz at Ryanair any longer....
Beachbum - Actually I make a very nice living thank you very much. I earn more money than I ever thought I would. Money at Ryanair is not the point. Your point illustrates quite nicely just how much you know about the situation. Ie, nothing.
I did not mean to give the impression I would automatically pass selection for RA should I choose to apply. I am not one of those people that assumes if you turn up at RA HQ with 30k then a job offer will be an automatic thing.
I have flown with pilots from RA (in the GA environment) and from that I gleaned they are professional well trained people.
However it does come down to,simple economics. Perhaps I should have qualified my comments with the additional information that I read economics for three years at uni so have a reasonable grasp of the fundamentals.
If you look at the basic supply and demand model there reaches a points where the costs get too much and the demand dries up (giffen goods etc excluded).
So I stand by my assertion that if people don't like it then they do not have to apply or they can leave.