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Old 7th Feb 2012, 17:40   #1 (permalink)
 
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Aeroprofessional

An ex-colleague of mine applied for a job via Aeroprofessional. The hours on type needed was pretty high for this type of assignment. Did not hear anything about it, then applied direct to the airline and got an offer quite soon. Once at company conversion course, my ex-colleague spoke to the Head of Training at the airline, and brought the hour requirements up. The HoT said "we've never had those requirements, were did you hear this?"

Nobody else that applied via aeroprofessional got even an offer.

Is this common for recruitment agencies - to make up their own version of the story?
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 20:14   #2 (permalink)
 
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Funnily enough, I've found it the other way round.
An agency leaves out a critical requirement (age limit?).
You are encouraged to apply ( thereby qualifying as an agency sourced applicant! ) you spend a day filling in the airlines online application (several times 'cos it keeps crashing!) send it off, and wait excitedly for an indeterminate period of time.
Then the airline replies that theyre "velly solly bur you don have proper requiremen".
On the other hand I could just be a cynical old git!!
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Old 10th Feb 2012, 16:49   #3 (permalink)
 
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If anyone "really" wants to fly "MadDogs" in Lagos, PARC are now offering Capt's positions for NON type rated guys. Min requirements 1500P1 in an equivalent type (737/A320)

Come on guys, who wants to fly Airbus, come to Lagos & fly a "mans aircraft"

Where do I sign ? ?




The only "good" thing (well, everything is relative) about this vacancy is that AeroPro say you can have a 20/10 40/20 0r 60/30 rotation, which is not perfect, but not the worst.
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Old 10th Feb 2012, 17:18   #4 (permalink)
 
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Mad dog

I used to love flying the MD80 series AC.

But 10 wild horses could not drag me back to Lagos.
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Old 13th Feb 2012, 13:28   #5 (permalink)
 
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Nothing better to do

PlayStation. you must have lots of time on your hands, or a dam good roster..no matter what forum I review, there you are, and what positivity..
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Old 13th Feb 2012, 20:55   #6 (permalink)
 
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The former (but, unfortunately it doesn't pay the bills)

"Always look on the bright side of life" I do try, really, I do.
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Old 14th Feb 2012, 09:01   #7 (permalink)
 
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In the same "optimistic" vein, just up today on latestpilotjobs.com, Betts Aviation looking for MD80 drivers to be converted at companies expense onto DC9 .

Base - Libya

Roster - 5-6 days on, 1-2 off

One ticket home provided a year (well, you won't need more than that ,with the proposed roster )

I am trying to see the positive side of this one too. . . . . . but
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Old 14th Feb 2012, 11:08   #8 (permalink)
 
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I've seen a couple of contracts for Libya doing the rounds recently, all of them well below market rate for Europe, never mind bloody Libya!
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Old 16th Mar 2013, 00:55   #9 (permalink)
 
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I just received an unsolicited call from Aeroprofessionals.

I have never dealt with a crew leasing agency and I would like to know how they stack up against other crew leasing firms. I did a quick search but so far I have come up empty.

The position was a Capt spot on a widebody in Asia but the T&C aren't that compelling.
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Old 16th Mar 2013, 05:42   #10 (permalink)
 
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Then call them back and tell them the T&Cs aren't acceptable.

When they can't come up with any crew then they'll have to go back to the client and tell them they'll have to up the offer.

We, the pilot community, are our own worst enemies when it comes to organising to improve T&Cs, because someone, somewhere, will accept the dross which is exactly what the agencies and airline accounting bloodsuckers rely on..
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Old 16th Mar 2013, 08:59   #11 (permalink)
 
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G.S. good to see you here. I thought you liked Lagos a lot
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Old 17th Mar 2013, 03:35   #12 (permalink)
 
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Hey Big D

Yah, Lagos, da city of splendah, centre of excellence.
I miss the soft spoken, courteous and honest people there, the cuisine and the wonderful atmosphere. A great reality check.
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Old 17th Mar 2013, 05:34   #13 (permalink)
 
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Spectacularly naive

What am I missing here? There seems to be no paucity of adequately qualified pilots chasing not that many jobs for pretty awful Ts & Cs so why do the airlines need to go through agencies to get a hold of them? Thus eroding the already slim profit margins.
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Old 19th Mar 2013, 18:33   #14 (permalink)
 
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Let me rephrase the question.

How does Aeroprofessional stack up against the other crew leasing companies?
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