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The European Court of Justice today ruled that British Airways should base its pilots' holiday pay on overall earnings and not just on basic pay......McAuslan said it had been a long battle, and that the airline will owe its pilots about £20 million ($31.7 million) in holiday back-pay,
This isn't just aviation, it is an ongoing argument in ALL industries and jobs where ones remuneration contains a 'variable' element. will be interesting to see where this one leads. I can see the argument for holiday pay, but not for long term sick pay. Not sure how far this ruling takes it.
That is why they are technically based in Ireland..... wonder how long they can hold this up in court..
Wrong, I work for Ryanair UK and head office is Stanstead. Holiday pay at FR has always been basic pay, pluss holiday pay, so court ruling won't bother them.
Wrong, I work for Ryanair UK and head office is Stanstead. Holiday pay at FR has always been basic pay, pluss holiday pay, so court ruling won't bother them.
Ohh and what is your pension and sick pay based on at that UK airline Ryanair? Guess if they widen the ruling they do have something to worry about and the crew errr serviceproviders who get sick have hopefully less to worry about
Wrong, I work for Ryanair UK and head office is Stanstead. Holiday pay at FR has always been basic pay, pluss holiday pay, so court ruling won't bother them.
Sorry didnt read the article an neither did you...
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BALPA has successfully argued that, under these regulations, the definition of holiday pay should not be restricted to basic salary only, particularly because pilots' and cabin crews' actual pay is based heavily on an hourly flying pay rate.
In other words BA has to base the Holiday pay calculation on the amount earned including all the variables... and guess what.. That certain English (?) Irish outfit you work for bases their calculations on... basic pay... Correct me if I am wrong
That certain English (?) Irish outfit you work for bases their calculations on... basic pay... Correct me if I am wrong
Yes, as I said, you are wrong. FR UK employee, UK employment contract. Holiday pay is basic pay, pluss holiday pay. Sick pay scheme also prety good! If you don't know the facts, wind it in! I don't claim FR to be the best, but I have been arround and they are a lot better than the garbage spouted on this network by some.
FR UK employee, UK employment contract. Holiday pay is basic pay, pluss holiday pay. Sick pay scheme also prety good! If you don't know the facts, wind it in! I don't claim FR to be the best, but I have been arround and they are a lot better than the garbage spouted on this network by some.
I don't know what "holiday pay" is in FR - so don't shoot me down- but this court ruling says that when you are on holiday you must get the same pay as when you work - including ALL pay. i.e if you get basic plus sector pay plus plus plus etc when you work then you must get basic plus sector pay etc when you are on leave - I guess they'll just use an average to work out the varialble pay element So if FR 'holiday pay' for a week is the same as you would have got in sector pay for an average week, then it meets the new ruling - if not your are in for a pay rise!
The holiday pay element is probably a bit less than an average months sector pay, but not too far away from an overall average. Any rise would be welcome of course, and it only applies to employees and not to contractors.
The holiday pay element is probably a bit less than an average months sector pay, but not too far away from an overall average. Any rise would be welcome of course, and it only applies to employees and not to contractors.
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Not RYR here, but we do have base pay plus the average of the last 12 months in additional pay, calculated on a daily basis. This equates in total to the average of the last 12 months and is something we didn't have to fight for, it was just normal to get it payed like that.
Jesus, I havn't looked at this forum for over a year; now I remember why. A simple thread about Balpa winning in court over BA somehow ends up in a willy waving contest over holiday pay.
No willy waving, just clarification for no ryanair for me. One months holiday would attract one months basic pay, pluss an additional payment equal to about 60 hours sector pay. Is that clear enough for you?
