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What I want to know is will Easy have the decency to recruit the old TRSS hold pool guys who had been swimming for a couple of years (that they spat out last year) when they decided to bypass them for CTC after offering them an initial job?.....at least BA gave their guys that courtesy of first selection again!
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BaronBlue - move on from TRSS and the hold pool, as those dogs are well and truly dead! BA only keep people in the hold pool for some time and then they have to go through the whole deal again. There is no way that easyJet will go back to the guys you refer to. Please do not shoot the messenger - you can no doubt justifiably argue the ins and outs over whether it was fair or not. That is not the issue now - easyJet are recruiting again and if you are eligible to apply you will have to go through the process they set up, regardless of whether or not you passed previously. Sorry mate, that is just the way the cookie crumbles.
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The difference being of course, is that BA stopped recruitment completely (hold pool disbanded) while Easy (despite having a hold pool) recruited fresh CTC cadets without giving those guys a chance I know one who even offered to pay his type rating and was refused!
The message being beware!... could the same thing happen if placed in a hold pool and a fresh bunch of CTC cadets come along? I would keep every option available even if successful.
The message being beware!... could the same thing happen if placed in a hold pool and a fresh bunch of CTC cadets come along? I would keep every option available even if successful.
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Originally Posted by Alexander De Meerkat
BaronBlue - move on from TRSS and the hold pool, as those dogs are well and truly dead!
Future First Officer Opportunities - Pilot Careers - Careers in the Air - easyJet Careers
We are hoping to have similar opportunities for exceptional pilots that are not currently A320 type rated so please keep a watch out on this site for further information.
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Deano777 - It appears that the person with the least powers of observation on this thread may be you. I am fully aware of the easyJet Careers website and its allusion to a possible entry method for non-rated pilots. The 'dead dogs' I was referring to, and which BaronBlue has understood, are the defunct Type Rating Sponsorship (TRSS) and hold pools of previous years. The situation that BaronBlue referred to was where easyJet ran recruitment sessions for non-rated pilots, indicated to the successful candidates they would have jobs shortly and placed them in a hold pool until specific course dates could be arranged. Then easyJet had a change of tack, recruited a whole pile of CTC cadets and left the TRSS guys high and dry with no clear indications of what would happen next. A long time later, the hold pool was abandoned and the waiting candidates were sent packing. Quite understandably, the pilots on the receiving end of this behaviour were utterly dismayed - frankly, I cannot blame them.
The problem is that, however badly the would-be TRSS candidates were treated, it will not change anything - therefore the dogs are dead and it is time to move on. The big unknown from easyJet's perspective is the quality of the candidates that apply with A320 ratings. Past sim sessions have not been encouraging, and whole batches of candidates have failed on some occasions. Therefore, easyJet have to keep the door open to the possibility of non-rated pilots if required - hence that last paragraph in the advert. If required, there will be non-rated opportunities under the guise of some kind of TRSS scheme - although probably called something completely different to save any awkwardness. The final terms and conditions are yet to be decided, but it will be a great deal for those who get it.
Behind the scenes at easyJet, there are many hopeful signs. The 'Project Merlin' team are about to present the plan for the future of pilots within the company. It has been and continues to be a root and branch analysis of every aspect of pilot engagement. I do not expect vast pay rises for all, but I do expect there to be significant changes in contracts. The most likely one appears to be a move from 5/3/5/4 to a combination of 5/4 and 4/4 contracts. I personally love the idea of starting on 2 or 3 earlies and finishing on 3 or 2 lates - it sounds about as good a deal as you can get in airline flying. There would be no random month and you could therefore predict your 4 days off for years in advance. The 4/4 deal may come with the right for the company to buy-back some days off, but I am not sure of the specifics. There are numerous details to be worked through, not least of all how the 'flexicrew' pilots will be sorted out. Furthermore there are significant inequities that need to be addressed - for example a UK-based Training Captain earns not much different from a Paris-based First Officer. A crazy situation exists where UK Training Captains have taken up jobs in France, Italy and Spain to get the big bucks. Therefore the Company has to position them back to the simulator at Gatwick on working days - on a 5-day block easyJet only gets 3 days sim training out of them. It would seem logical to ensure that these guys are paid properly and get more work out of them. At the other end of the spectrum, many 'flexicrew' First Officers earn a lot of money but do not have the security of tenure they desire. Would it not be cheaper to give them the permanent job that pays them way less than they earn at the moment, but would give them certainty for the future?
EasyJet is not perfect, but there is a huge amount that is right. Although there is much to be done, there is a sea-change in management thinking and practice that has become palpable. It will never be a British Airways but, compared with a huge range of airlines, it has much to offer. I believe that for many current captains in other airlines, it may be worth the risk to come to easyJet as a First Officer - it is a fine judgement that only the individual can make. For any turboprop or ex-military guys/gals fortunate enough to get taken on, should the opportunity arise, there will be very few of them who will regret it. Best of luck to one and all.
The problem is that, however badly the would-be TRSS candidates were treated, it will not change anything - therefore the dogs are dead and it is time to move on. The big unknown from easyJet's perspective is the quality of the candidates that apply with A320 ratings. Past sim sessions have not been encouraging, and whole batches of candidates have failed on some occasions. Therefore, easyJet have to keep the door open to the possibility of non-rated pilots if required - hence that last paragraph in the advert. If required, there will be non-rated opportunities under the guise of some kind of TRSS scheme - although probably called something completely different to save any awkwardness. The final terms and conditions are yet to be decided, but it will be a great deal for those who get it.
Behind the scenes at easyJet, there are many hopeful signs. The 'Project Merlin' team are about to present the plan for the future of pilots within the company. It has been and continues to be a root and branch analysis of every aspect of pilot engagement. I do not expect vast pay rises for all, but I do expect there to be significant changes in contracts. The most likely one appears to be a move from 5/3/5/4 to a combination of 5/4 and 4/4 contracts. I personally love the idea of starting on 2 or 3 earlies and finishing on 3 or 2 lates - it sounds about as good a deal as you can get in airline flying. There would be no random month and you could therefore predict your 4 days off for years in advance. The 4/4 deal may come with the right for the company to buy-back some days off, but I am not sure of the specifics. There are numerous details to be worked through, not least of all how the 'flexicrew' pilots will be sorted out. Furthermore there are significant inequities that need to be addressed - for example a UK-based Training Captain earns not much different from a Paris-based First Officer. A crazy situation exists where UK Training Captains have taken up jobs in France, Italy and Spain to get the big bucks. Therefore the Company has to position them back to the simulator at Gatwick on working days - on a 5-day block easyJet only gets 3 days sim training out of them. It would seem logical to ensure that these guys are paid properly and get more work out of them. At the other end of the spectrum, many 'flexicrew' First Officers earn a lot of money but do not have the security of tenure they desire. Would it not be cheaper to give them the permanent job that pays them way less than they earn at the moment, but would give them certainty for the future?
EasyJet is not perfect, but there is a huge amount that is right. Although there is much to be done, there is a sea-change in management thinking and practice that has become palpable. It will never be a British Airways but, compared with a huge range of airlines, it has much to offer. I believe that for many current captains in other airlines, it may be worth the risk to come to easyJet as a First Officer - it is a fine judgement that only the individual can make. For any turboprop or ex-military guys/gals fortunate enough to get taken on, should the opportunity arise, there will be very few of them who will regret it. Best of luck to one and all.
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Originally Posted by Alexander De Meerkat
Deano777 - It appears that the person with the least powers of observation on this thread may be you.
Although I used your post in the quote it was meant to be more of a general comment aimed at the whole thread.
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We're all different DOO some like earlies to lates others don't one camp does not have to be wrong both can be right.
Tend to agree with ADM about easyJet CMC has made a real difference. Hopefully Merlin will keep the momentum going in the right direction. We are however a Low Cost Airline or as CMC would rather have it, a High Value Airline. Whichever we are never going to be BA. That said it has a-lot to offer. I loved my time in the RAF but I now earn close on 2x my RAF salary for less work, no one shooting at me and no secondary duties and I see my family pretty much every day. It has much to offer. Good luck to all of you seeking to join us.
Tend to agree with ADM about easyJet CMC has made a real difference. Hopefully Merlin will keep the momentum going in the right direction. We are however a Low Cost Airline or as CMC would rather have it, a High Value Airline. Whichever we are never going to be BA. That said it has a-lot to offer. I loved my time in the RAF but I now earn close on 2x my RAF salary for less work, no one shooting at me and no secondary duties and I see my family pretty much every day. It has much to offer. Good luck to all of you seeking to join us.
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thanks for this, I had heard a similar story. I read on another thread that there is going to be an issue wiuth flexi crew when the govenrment changes the rules for agency workers soon.
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from one contract to an other keeping your seniority, not only on the seniority list but also on the paygrade
The only incremental pay is loyalty and only applies after a number of years and is only paid once per year as a bonus. There is no incremental pay scale. When you move from FO to SFO to Capt to Training Capt, you get a raise according to the promotion. That is your salary for that rank. The actual pay rates for each rank differ depending on local contracts and the applicable union agreements.
Hope that helps.
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I'm looking to get work near my home in EDI after many years of commuting to London and see EZY as a good opportunity. Does anyone know what the chances are of getting up north fairly soon after joining???
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Yep I'll 3rd that, did it at a low co for 2 years 3 earlies followed by 2 lates, it is a roster designed to fatigue you!!! An absolute killer over a period of time.
Day 4 you go to work when you have been finishing the previous 3 days and then land around 2hrs from when you were getting up for the earlies just 24hrs before!!!!
Day 4 you go to work when you have been finishing the previous 3 days and then land around 2hrs from when you were getting up for the earlies just 24hrs before!!!!
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Earlies to late is a terrible pattern! I've been working it for 5 years, and fail to see the benefit in it.
The flip side too is that you finish on a LATE, and start EARLY, which reduces your effective time off, and in most cases removes one local evening/night from your 'weekend' completely, the night before your early is equally unusable for anything remotely social
The flip side too is that you finish on a LATE, and start EARLY, which reduces your effective time off, and in most cases removes one local evening/night from your 'weekend' completely, the night before your early is equally unusable for anything remotely social
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Clear4to in my opinion your chances of a base in edi or close to it are slim to none. Your best hope I'd have thought would be lpl or man. That said, if anything, I'd expect a mainland Europe base. Just as with Ba 'you join a company not a fleet', at easy you join a company not a base in most instances - lots of time away from base.
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its really sad for the wannabes
It is sad for those who have had to take a different path in life (instructing/turboprops) or those who have lost jobs and can't get one because these wannabe's are desperate to take their places at all costs.
.Your sympathy lies with the wrong crowd!!
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its really sad for the wannabes
The ones who want to buy their jobs, and are bleating about the roster or pay or how much the job costs them, I'm afraid they made their own bed.
These min hours guys currently buying jobs straight from Oxford or Jerez must be shelling out over £120k for their jobs now, all things considered. How long will it be before the £200k cadet arrives?!
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Yes, but it was not that long ago that someone who had done their "stir" as an instructor, and then paid for a jet type rating was being criticised for buying his or her way past the turboprop stage. (Total cost for me up to ATPL including jet rating £35k). And not long prior to that when any self-sponsored CPL's were looked down on by sponsored cadets (remember them?).
Times do change. It's not as good as it was, that's for sure, but you can't always blame the customer for the service they recieve.
Times do change. It's not as good as it was, that's for sure, but you can't always blame the customer for the service they recieve.
B&B, the EDI F/O transfer list is empty! Anybody joining EZY on a permanent contract now would largely get the base of their choice. Of course, anybody joining as flexicrew would remain at the whim of the company, although most get UK bases (read: LGW, LPL, MAN).