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I think there's some law about closing recruitments before the published closing date for applications has been passed. Any interviews going on at present would IMHO be unlikely to be the first and last of it.
Does anyone know of a thread in the PPRuNe archives on the Shamrock interview process? Or (dare I ask) can any of the lucky ones interviewed thus far shed any light on the day out?
Cheers and good luck to all,
VFE.
Does anyone know of a thread in the PPRuNe archives on the Shamrock interview process? Or (dare I ask) can any of the lucky ones interviewed thus far shed any light on the day out?
Cheers and good luck to all,
VFE.
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I've heard that they interviewed some guy with about 200 hours no type rating and currently not working for an airline so it seems the process is completely random. Is there anyone out there at all that might be able to give us an insight into just what the hell they are asking in this interview?!!!!!!!!!!! 
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looks like my experience level is being overlooked
No matter what "experience" shamrock require, you will not be seen as experienced!!
your type rating is worthless with no hours
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I've heard that they interviewed some guy with about 200 hours no type rating and currently not working for an airline so it seems the process is completely random. Is there anyone out there at all that might be able to give us an insight into just what the hell they are asking in this interview?!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway any guess or any infos about the interview? I've applied, but still with no news from EI..
Thanks guys
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London calling, get a grip. You don't want to be lectured by a low houred pilot! WTF! With an attitude like that I hope your long term contract is renewed because I can't see you getting work elsewhere. To all with their names in the hat, Good Luck. The market is picking up. Keep the faith.
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Keep your pants on everyone. To the people that got the call; what is your experience level? Up until now I haven't seen anyone with experience saying that they have been contacted. I'm sure they're going through a shedload of applications as it is. So give it some time.
I wouldn't be surprised if in the end I don't get a call, despite having experience and currently working for an airline. That's the market nowadays and it is completely random. Maybe they even get enough applicants through the process before they ever reach my application.
In the end of the day, sit it out and see. It's not the best deal in the world but it would be a hell of a start for lowtimers. Good luck to everyone that got called. One word of advice though: Don't **** up, you don't get opportunities like this every day. ;-)
I wouldn't be surprised if in the end I don't get a call, despite having experience and currently working for an airline. That's the market nowadays and it is completely random. Maybe they even get enough applicants through the process before they ever reach my application.
In the end of the day, sit it out and see. It's not the best deal in the world but it would be a hell of a start for lowtimers. Good luck to everyone that got called. One word of advice though: Don't **** up, you don't get opportunities like this every day. ;-)
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Hey there,
Well in the past EI have had a mixture of guys from those just about to finish flt training to those with type ratings low hours and those with type rating high hours I do know of 2 guys that were in Oxford, EI came over & Oxford recommended a few & 2 guys were subsequently chosen. Another guy was chosen with a TR hardly any hours... I can go on giving examples.(On last years recruitment with EI...I did see the head of Oxford Training and another guy incharge of marketing getting out of a taxi & heading into the sim block of EI, where they said to the security guy that they 'had a meeting scheduled with the Cheif Pilot' & I later found out that the meeting was to see how many they could put forward for selection with EI).
I know for a fact that EI used to like to chose a cross section as it they felt that 'Some guys from already with other airlines may have picked yp bad habits' so thats why the cross section...they could have the option of bringing guys straight on line with a few hours line training & then groom the less experienced guys to fit the EI mould.
Regarding this one guy that I've already spoken of he's only got 200hrs and just out of flight training no type rating etc. So yes it seems EI have already called guys for selection & wheather these guys know 'the right people' I have no idea. I just wish Good luck to everyone & if anyones decent enough to post a report about the interview I'd be very appreciative. They've been lucky enough to be selected for interview so posting something online is not going to impinge on their being put forward for the sim (might even be good Karma!!!
) but it would give the rest of us a insight...
Well in the past EI have had a mixture of guys from those just about to finish flt training to those with type ratings low hours and those with type rating high hours I do know of 2 guys that were in Oxford, EI came over & Oxford recommended a few & 2 guys were subsequently chosen. Another guy was chosen with a TR hardly any hours... I can go on giving examples.(On last years recruitment with EI...I did see the head of Oxford Training and another guy incharge of marketing getting out of a taxi & heading into the sim block of EI, where they said to the security guy that they 'had a meeting scheduled with the Cheif Pilot' & I later found out that the meeting was to see how many they could put forward for selection with EI).
I know for a fact that EI used to like to chose a cross section as it they felt that 'Some guys from already with other airlines may have picked yp bad habits' so thats why the cross section...they could have the option of bringing guys straight on line with a few hours line training & then groom the less experienced guys to fit the EI mould.
Regarding this one guy that I've already spoken of he's only got 200hrs and just out of flight training no type rating etc. So yes it seems EI have already called guys for selection & wheather these guys know 'the right people' I have no idea. I just wish Good luck to everyone & if anyones decent enough to post a report about the interview I'd be very appreciative. They've been lucky enough to be selected for interview so posting something online is not going to impinge on their being put forward for the sim (might even be good Karma!!!
) but it would give the rest of us a insight...
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At no point did I lay the claim that my experience level gave me an advantage. Can you not read??? I simply remarked that this type of experience level seems to be once again being overlooked. Early days, sure. This was said in the context of the previous 5 or 6 posts where people were claiming totally fresh out of school and non type rated pilots were being invited. That's all and nothing more! I eventually gave up trying to get through to you and londoncalling(the lights are on, but nobody's home)2009 by removing my comments.
And as for londoncalling who seems to think that all wannabes are interested in "flying jets". You might have had your lucky break sunshine but you know **** all about the state of the recruitment industry in Europe and especially the UK. There are no GA jobs for unconnected 250 hour pilots! none! zero! zilch! So don't lecture me for attempting to improve my situation by gaining a TR of my own back. I did it at a time when it was working for many then the recession bit. At least, I chose NOT to sit on my arse. A mistake! seems to work for many.
At no point did I lay the claim that my experience level gave me an advantage. Can you not read??? I simply remarked that this type of experience level seems to be once again being overlooked. Early days, sure. This was said in the context of the previous 5 or 6 posts where people were claiming totally fresh out of school and non type rated pilots were being invited. That's all and nothing more! I eventually gave up trying to get through to you and londoncalling(the lights are on, but nobody's home)2009 by removing my comments.
And as for londoncalling who seems to think that all wannabes are interested in "flying jets". You might have had your lucky break sunshine but you know **** all about the state of the recruitment industry in Europe and especially the UK. There are no GA jobs for unconnected 250 hour pilots! none! zero! zilch! So don't lecture me for attempting to improve my situation by gaining a TR of my own back. I did it at a time when it was working for many then the recession bit. At least, I chose NOT to sit on my arse. A mistake! seems to work for many.
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Dear me, have to say that's an awful admission to make as a would-be FO!!
Suggest you wade through some earlier posts on this thread to find the answers - they are there if you look hard enough. I like to think I'm pretty PC-savvy, but I resorted to the old-fashioned way - printing the pdf off, writing (yes, using a pen!) and mailing it to EI at Dublin Airport. This is an option if you look at the application instructions on the EI website and IMHO is very possibly less likely to be 'deleted' than an email app.
Still not heard anything though, but not sure I'm too bothered given that the country's well and truly in the poo at the mo. There could be a lot better places to get a job than Ireland right now......)
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Dear me, have to say that's an awful admission to make as a would-be FO!!
Suggest you wade through some earlier posts on this thread to find the answers - they are there if you look hard enough. I like to think I'm pretty PC-savvy, but I resorted to the old-fashioned way - printing the pdf off, writing (yes, using a pen!) and mailing it to EI at Dublin Airport. This is an option if you look at the application instructions on the EI website and IMHO is very possibly less likely to be 'deleted' than an email app.
Still not heard anything though, but not sure I'm too bothered given that the country's well and truly in the poo at the mo. There could be a lot better places to get a job than Ireland right now......)
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Agree wholeheartedly with ACG.
Also you need to consider how you will demonstrate to AL that you will go about settling in Ireland (if that's your base choice) should you get offered a position. Did anyone take the time to include a covering letter or email outlining any connections to Ireland or how you would overcome the big move? With a number of fo's leaving I can see this being a bigger issue for AL given their "perceived" investment in training. Don't get me wrong we have a mix of nationalities working in AL but each one has a "story".
Also you need to consider how you will demonstrate to AL that you will go about settling in Ireland (if that's your base choice) should you get offered a position. Did anyone take the time to include a covering letter or email outlining any connections to Ireland or how you would overcome the big move? With a number of fo's leaving I can see this being a bigger issue for AL given their "perceived" investment in training. Don't get me wrong we have a mix of nationalities working in AL but each one has a "story".
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Rostering
Right to start off "pattern" isn't a word I would use to describe the AL rosters.
I am yet to meet anyone who actually definitively KNOWS how our rosters are produced. There is lots of hearsay about how they are manually prepared or that they are computer produced. The fact of the matter is that we aren't getting what we asked for and in fact what is agreed with the union.
So here is my take on our rosters. Firstly we have a roster close out date by which we would have entered into Carmen (AL calls it PBS = Preferential Bidding System) our bids for the forthcoming roster period. it closes out on a Sunday night and the following Friday a roster will be released. It is available from AIMS so you can download it electronically into whatever format you like and put it onto your phone, pc etc. Once the new roster is published you will have 6 weeks of work showing which reduces down to 2 weeks before the next one is due to be out. Not great considering the winter/summer schedules are published so far in advance so AL knows which flights it will be operating many many months in advance. How much you get of your bids will depend on your seniority as the system tries to achieve a certain satisfaction ratio. I think the most senior pilots would expect something like 80% and the most junior much lower.
As I said your bids are entered by yourself into the Carmen system. You can bid for any manner of things such as times to check in by/check out/overnights/flights to specific countries/regions and individual flight numbers. You also get to bid for golden days off and request free days. Generally it is two golden days per roster period. If you don't get your golden days in the current roster then supposedly you get bumped up the list to get them next time around. We also had a request book into which we entered days off that we really really wanted off eg: birthdays etc. The company unilaterally decided to withdraw this without any agreement with the union which is another breach of our working conditions. Apparently we can now email someone and it will work the same. I fail to see how any transparency will be achieved and you will get what you ask for but there you go.
So the above is how it is meant to work. In essence a pc programme will spit out your work. It would be 5 on 2 off or any manner of combinations. The worst would be 6 on 1 off. You can do swaps if you like to try and "fix" your roster. Obviously you can't swap off training and checking duties but pretty much any regular flying can be swapped.
We overnight in ORK, SNN and LHR. If this doesn't float your boat you can generally offload them. ORK are easier to offload. LHR used to be handy enough duties although a number of the couplings changed over the summer which made them really long duty days often involving a continental flight from Dublin ending up in LHR with minimum rest. Ocasionally we might be sent over to cover for LGW or BFS although on the FO side this is rare. Captains tend to see those places more often as they don't seem to have enough LHS in those bases.
On the positive side of things our free days are our free days. Once they are published they are cast in stone and cannot be changed or taken off you. Crew control can "friday change" your forthcoming weeks roster but cannot touch any free days. There are also various rules restricting the amount of tinkering that they can do to your work based on the amount of notice you are given. Generally this is limited to 1-2 hours of what was rostered. Anything more and you start negotiating or ultimately can refuse the duty.
Finally there is a project ongoing to provide us with a fixed pattern roster. The union is leading towards a 5/3 pattern and allegedly it will be coming in for summer next year.
I am yet to meet anyone who actually definitively KNOWS how our rosters are produced. There is lots of hearsay about how they are manually prepared or that they are computer produced. The fact of the matter is that we aren't getting what we asked for and in fact what is agreed with the union.
So here is my take on our rosters. Firstly we have a roster close out date by which we would have entered into Carmen (AL calls it PBS = Preferential Bidding System) our bids for the forthcoming roster period. it closes out on a Sunday night and the following Friday a roster will be released. It is available from AIMS so you can download it electronically into whatever format you like and put it onto your phone, pc etc. Once the new roster is published you will have 6 weeks of work showing which reduces down to 2 weeks before the next one is due to be out. Not great considering the winter/summer schedules are published so far in advance so AL knows which flights it will be operating many many months in advance. How much you get of your bids will depend on your seniority as the system tries to achieve a certain satisfaction ratio. I think the most senior pilots would expect something like 80% and the most junior much lower.
As I said your bids are entered by yourself into the Carmen system. You can bid for any manner of things such as times to check in by/check out/overnights/flights to specific countries/regions and individual flight numbers. You also get to bid for golden days off and request free days. Generally it is two golden days per roster period. If you don't get your golden days in the current roster then supposedly you get bumped up the list to get them next time around. We also had a request book into which we entered days off that we really really wanted off eg: birthdays etc. The company unilaterally decided to withdraw this without any agreement with the union which is another breach of our working conditions. Apparently we can now email someone and it will work the same. I fail to see how any transparency will be achieved and you will get what you ask for but there you go.
So the above is how it is meant to work. In essence a pc programme will spit out your work. It would be 5 on 2 off or any manner of combinations. The worst would be 6 on 1 off. You can do swaps if you like to try and "fix" your roster. Obviously you can't swap off training and checking duties but pretty much any regular flying can be swapped.
We overnight in ORK, SNN and LHR. If this doesn't float your boat you can generally offload them. ORK are easier to offload. LHR used to be handy enough duties although a number of the couplings changed over the summer which made them really long duty days often involving a continental flight from Dublin ending up in LHR with minimum rest. Ocasionally we might be sent over to cover for LGW or BFS although on the FO side this is rare. Captains tend to see those places more often as they don't seem to have enough LHS in those bases.
On the positive side of things our free days are our free days. Once they are published they are cast in stone and cannot be changed or taken off you. Crew control can "friday change" your forthcoming weeks roster but cannot touch any free days. There are also various rules restricting the amount of tinkering that they can do to your work based on the amount of notice you are given. Generally this is limited to 1-2 hours of what was rostered. Anything more and you start negotiating or ultimately can refuse the duty.
Finally there is a project ongoing to provide us with a fixed pattern roster. The union is leading towards a 5/3 pattern and allegedly it will be coming in for summer next year.