Terms and EndearmentThe forum the bean counters hoped would never happen. Your news on pay, rostering, allowances, extras and negotiations where you work - scheduled, charter or contract.
Just to correct a misconception you have regarding the ownership of the company - the 16% you attribute to the 'working' shareholders is the total percentage owned by the employees plus JF.
The employee only share is 8.25%, some 178,000 nominal shares. Not quite the power you think you have.
After seeing how few pilots opted out of smart pensions (even after BALPA tried to "help" all pilots see how detrimental the scheme was), I doubt if the support for industrial action will be there. I think most will continue to complain but wouldn't support direct action. Just my opinion...
Smart pensions - BALPA kept their 'help' on pensions secret from the non-members. This is another occasion where they would have done better to make their feelings known to the non-members (a substantial number) and got a much higher percentage rejecting the opt-in and hence a stronger position. If there's suppose to be a new cc looks like they've fallen into the secretive ways of the previous mob.
Now boys... what you get up to in your spare time...
Seriously though, I think it's worth hanging in on the CC - I know they're doing the best that they possibly can do and the management aren't supposed to be that receptive of anything that has been put forward so far (quelle surprise!).
But... that last email that was sent around is quite indicitive that something is in the water. Whatever the outcome of this "something", then I hope that it gets the popular support across the board of us guys.
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the management aren't supposed to be that receptive of anything that has been put forward so far (quelle surprise!).
Exactly, they were never going to give anything away for free it's not their style. They'll give the absolute minimum they are compelled to, hence the wait to see the size of our collective cahones.
If it goes to ballot and people back down, or union membership is shown to be insufficient to have any clout, then it's game over and Flybe will be secure in the knowledge that their strategy of competetive advantage by the meanest pay and conditions will be set in stone for ever... and more importantly for any forthcoming floatation.
Last chance saloon.
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This is the last chance for the BALPA and the CC. It is now or never. The CC can count on my full support over the coming weeks and I am fully prepared to do what has to be done.
It needs to be said though that if the pilot workforce as a collective fails to back up the CC the company will know it can do what it wants both in the short and long term. It is sad to say that after that there will be little point in remaining in the union and I would award myself a 1% payrise. If we can hang together and get a decent increase BALPA are welcome to the increase in subs they will have earnt.
Really? Proof? Why does it matter? You are all Flybe Pilots.
So when the Dash gets offered 10% and the 195 gets offered 5%, mutually inclusive are you going to vote for or against? Seeing as you earn all the money should you get a bigger pay rise? If you don't think that then why mention it?
I hope you get my drift, STICK TOGETHER and get the best for everybody.
And 58 Dashes cost? 12 195's cost? Salaries between each fleet cost? Revenue per flight comparison?
Anyway, your first post had a hint of you want what you earnt and you want it ASAP bugger the rest. Unfortunately in the past that has resulted in a less than better deal for the Embraer and 146 guys. Bear in mind that the Dash is the bigger fleet and, therefore, have the bigger vote it is highly likely that that is what will happen again.
Yes, I wondered about the whole TV thing. It does say rather a lot about the lack of understanding in EXT as to what pilots and cabin crew do that they think we will be sitting around to be able to watch TV during our working day.
Not only are Aprils pay discussions still being dragged out, blue skies scheduling seems to have been put on permanent hold, amongst other ways that Flybe are trying to break the pilots to a new low, but now;
Flybe have now told BALPA that stand bys will now be lengthened by 2 hours to 10 hours max." This will cause less disruption to the crews" - yes because we will have less time off. Crewing will stand you down early if not required, but the duty hours will be recycled later in the month, hence more instability. This will also mean that disruption payments will be harder to get as the original duty hours will be longer.
This has been forced through with no consultation!! Wait to see what the next new low will be........
