Jimmy Hoffa Rocks

How does it work with German wings pilots and Lufthansa pilots ?

Curious are the German wings happy with the arrangement ?

Could someone please explain the arrangement they have between the unions of the two groups ?

Do German wings pilots have some of the Lufthansa conditions or pay ?

Any info would be appreciated

Thanks in advance

studi

Career wise, GWI is like a fleet of DLH mainline. One seniority list for everybody, one union for everybody. Selection is also the same, via DLR in Hamburg. RE's only get in when there is not enough interest from DLH's own flight school in Bremen.

Basic salary is the same, although as a CPT, you start with 3 step increases lower than mainline, so you can become CPT pretty quickly. Profit sharing is also analog DLH. Rules regarding rest and max flight duty are different to accomodate the different kind of operation (network vs. point to point), as is the calculation for overtime.

GWI is a nice bunch of guys, from all different kind of backgrounds (bought by Lufthansa some time ago), and are generally happy to belong now to the big DLH world and to profite from all the benefits it brings with it.

Jimmy Hoffa Rocks

Thanks studi or danke

Sounds like a win/win.

I think other outfits can learn from this.

What are RE's ?


Can you tell us more about the profit sharing ?

Denti

RE = Ready Entry, ie pilots from the normal market, not their own flightschool.

lederhosen

Studi what is the situation regarding upgrades for the original Germanwings guys. I understood they were originally fairly low on the LH list and could therefore expect quite a wait to make captain even at Germanwings never mind elsewhere. Also can all the original Germanwings captains move across to other LH fleets? I know at Condor not all captains are able to move. If it really is as you describe then that is a fantastic deal.

studi

From hearsay, in the winter courses all the remaining old-FO will have a chance to upgrade, since the commands are very junior compared to DLH.

Switch to DLH mainline will be possible for the guys who went to Hamburg after the integration and passed the standard DLH selection at the DLR. The rest will just go on with their career within GWI as before the merger, but under massively improved T&C.

Condor is a different kettle of fish I think. CPTs who took their longhaul-TR with Condor will be stuck with Condor, since a normal DLH career means one Shorthaul-CPT-TR and one Longhaul-CPT-TR.

Profit sharing is additional pay once a year depending on DLH performance. I think the union was smart enough to use the same trigger as top management is using for their bonus.

warmkiter

condor TR on B757/B767 does not count as Fördermuster, means its not considered as an upgrade-typerating, it is an initial-typerating..So the guys who went there for the initial CPT training, will have another shot for the B744,A340 or A380 as CPT upgrading...

complicated stuff

cheers