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Old 29th Sep 2009, 17:01   #1 (permalink)
 
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Wizzair

Hi all.Hope some Wizzair pilot can help me.
Any info about terms and conditions and chances for commuting are very welcome.
Tks in advance
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 17:22   #2 (permalink)
 
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There is some info on their website:

http://wizzair.com/downloads/Wizz_Air_Pilots.pdf

Even A320 type rated pilots will be bonded for 2 years to cover training costs...

good luck to all!
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 18:36   #3 (permalink)
 
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How many pilots are they looking for?
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 23:07   #4 (permalink)
 
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Applied about 2 weeks ago, has anyone heared from them yet?
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Old 2nd Oct 2009, 18:27   #5 (permalink)
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Jet Orientation Course

Hi,

I have a question regarding to the "Jet Orientation Course" which is mentioned in the application sheet for Wizzair. I did the MCC on a 737-800 Full Flight Sim and flew 20hrs. Can this also be considered as "Jet Orientation"? I am not sure if this is a totally different type of training...

Thank a lot for your help!

Have a good one!
Jules
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Old 2nd Oct 2009, 22:33   #6 (permalink)
 
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I think it may be all bases cut off on 5th. But not sure.

As for JOC/MCC. I would come with all your papers in order and legally correct. I think to be eligible you need to fit the minimum criteria..... As an absolute minimum.......

....However, this time I think the absolute minimum may not be enough.

There are plenty of fully qualified people available.
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Old 2nd Oct 2009, 22:36   #7 (permalink)
 
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I agree...
But at least be there with an MCC certificate...no MCC no A320 rating! The JOC i think it's not mandatory...
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Old 3rd Oct 2009, 00:09   #8 (permalink)
 
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Hello,

I am Polish. I migrated to Canada in 1998. Now I have 220 TT CPL + MIFR and 40 hours in CRJ FTD which is a Jet Transition program that my college offered.

If I convert my Canadian lic to JAA, do I stand a chance at employment with Wizzair?

Thanks for everyones help.
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Old 3rd Oct 2009, 00:23   #9 (permalink)
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Hi,

once more... I am still not sure, because the answers are not clear to me .
I already did the MCC on a 737-800 (10hrs PF and 10hrs PNF). Is the MCC in this case also a "Jet Orientation Course" at the same time?? Or is the "Jet Orientation" a different type of training with an extra check and an extra certificate additional to the MCC??

Sorry for asking once more.

Thank you very much!
Jules
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Old 3rd Oct 2009, 11:47   #10 (permalink)
 
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OK so let put out the numbers here.

You have to finance before you start 15000 for TR + 5000 line training a total of 20 000 Euros.

You are bonded for 3 Years and the rest of the TR cost (15000) will be deducted from your salary during that time.

If I am correct it seemes like a pritty good deal, BUT I do not know what the salary is dough.
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Old 3rd Oct 2009, 12:44   #11 (permalink)
 
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To Mr. Jules,

During MCC you learn how to work in team doing lots of non-normal situations during the flights. So basically, it's just to check your abilities to solve problems using CRM rules. It's then 20 hours done in a Level C or D simulator spread into 10 h PF and 10 PNF.

The JOC (10h PF & 10 h PNF) is a tiny little bit different. You are doing standard flight to discover how line flying (in a jet) works. So basically, you can expect failures during the flight but it's mainly line flying in a jet. Therefore, you are required to use what you learnt during the MCC phase.

So to sum up: MCC = learn to use CRM & cope with non normal situations
JOC = use what you did in MCC to conduct a flight from A to B.

At least, that's what we did during my training.

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Old 3rd Oct 2009, 13:27   #12 (permalink)
 
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Hey guys, i'm sure a JOC is not mandatory for attending a TR. I think that they just want to know if you have such experience since flying school are offering such a course.
I have a jet TR and nobody has ever asked me for a JOC...
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Old 3rd Oct 2009, 20:37   #13 (permalink)
 
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Hi All,

As of the Jet Orientation Course, yes it is mandatory for joining Wizz unless you are rated on the a320 or have some good hours on jet aircraft. Not many airlines look at JOC today, however Wizz does and a few polish friends of mine that joined Wizz recently with 3-4000 hours had to do the training!! All expenses paid by themselves offcourse. JOC often done in Essen, Germany, cost approx 800 euros per person if you do the course with a partner..

If a full typerating in FFS is accepted by Wizz as a JOC, that's a good quest?! haven't heard the quest before, but I believe u need to ask Wizz directly.

To the Canadian guy, the market in Europe is very very difficult at the moment! I know the Wizz polish market very well, the last figure I heard is that their's 160 applications from experienced local airline pilots only from Poland!

Most of them are from the busted Centralwings guys, experienced local pilots from the 737.. Many many applications from Eurolot, Wizz has taken many ATR guys fr this airline in the past!! And I know plenty guys from the main airline LOT that wants to jump over to Wizz because LOT is struggling at the moment and pay cuts is being discussed and will be realized very soon.

However, Wizz have in the past hired local polish 250 hours guys in front of experienced local pilots (I'm talking about the polish market, the other I don't really know).. So the chance is there for sure, but you have to remember that converting your license is expensive so you have to think twice before u make a decision.

About the salary for a fresh Wizz FO.. the 15000 Euros will be taken from your pay check, after u passed the line check. The old method was 1000 euro every month, might have changed slightly don't know. A normal salary for a Wizz officer is around 8000 polish zloty, a senior officer around 10.000 zloty. (does off course vary depending of sectors, season, base etc but thats good numbers though)

So to finish this up, during your simulator training and line training, lets say 4-5 months, you earn a training salary which is low (about 5000 zloty I would say)

After line check, you will still make about 5000 zloty during the first 15 months(!)..

All the numbers above is net, prepare yourself that for the first 20 months to earn 5000 zloty, that is about 1400 Euros... To fly an A320, welcome to the current financial situation, low cost and eastern Europe.

And about the roster, prepare yourself for 900 hours a year! Night flights at almost all the bases (not Waw airport closed at night) To start your duty at 1700 and land at 4 in the morning is standard..

// ATR 250
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Old 3rd Oct 2009, 21:19   #14 (permalink)
 
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Deadline

Does anybody know if the 5th of october is the deadline date for Sofia only or is for all locations?.
Thanks in advance.
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Old 4th Oct 2009, 06:27   #15 (permalink)
 
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Night flights are NOT usual at all. That is just plain untrue,

As for the rest, ATR250 probably is about correct though......

It is still a secure job though.....
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Old 4th Oct 2009, 13:31   #16 (permalink)
 
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1400 euros a month for a cleared F/O?? You must be joking...is this true??
Regards
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Old 4th Oct 2009, 19:02   #17 (permalink)
 
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I think that salary sounds "industry standard" at this point in time and probably will stay that way for the future. Supply and Demand: There is a shitload of pilots looking for work and willing to work for peanuts and "fly for fun". If the demand was more than supply then we would probably see a slight difference in salary. It is extremely difficult to make a living as a pilot in this day and age. Times have changed. If you are looking to make a living, it honestly pays more to drive a bus.
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Old 5th Oct 2009, 17:13   #18 (permalink)
 
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One question about the application on the wizz air site. How have you guys signed and attached the pilot data sheet? It says you should name it "last nama_first name.doc". So the only option I see is to scan it and put the jpeg into a .doc file. Any other ideas?

Thanks!
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Old 5th Oct 2009, 20:31   #19 (permalink)
 
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I typed rather than signed the pilot data sheet (download into word...easy out). If they are interested it shouldnt make a difference if you ask me. BMI have a similar thing and you just type in your signature.
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Old 29th Oct 2009, 14:51   #20 (permalink)
 
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Can somebody post an up to date salary scale, or an accurate net takehome pay for a direct entry experience FO?

Thanks
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