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Old 30th Oct 2013, 18:04
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@747JJ,

I do understand that e-training is duty (and AFAIK it is counted as such and appears in the rosters, at least nowadays) and I have no problem with that.

What I was against, was moaning to the lines of: "They're taking away our days off, to accomodate e-training!" (see eg. post #199). Well, how else are they supposed to accomodate it?!
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Old 30th Oct 2013, 18:17
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ATR.

Any company related business, like following a training, is DUTY.
Simple.

A day OFF is a day free of any company duty.

That is EASA, that is the LAW.

Accept it.

I frankly am apalled that anyone would be even considering performing a company duty n a day OFF, a day that is meant to re energize the employee.
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Old 31st Oct 2013, 13:42
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We get our e-training days rostered. If you are not rostered one and something is due to expire, all you need to do is send them an e-mail. I do not know anyone personally that does not get them rostered. The reasoning of the company is that they do in fact pay you for anything that is duty, and that is reflected in your base salary. Sectors are a separate payment which are there for ... sectors; as in, flying.

Whether our basic salary is high enough or not, or whether our sector pay is high enough or not, is a completely different discussion. I will be the first one to say that I would like to earn more money and that I think that in fact I should. And contrary to other people; my company knows this about me. But I will hardly sit here and watch people that do not even work here look down at us because we are eastern european or slag things they have no experience with. You need not lecture any of us about european LAW and EASA regulations. Considering the nature of our operations, I can assure you that most if not all of us are very well versed indeed in what the regulations have to say about it.

May I remind you all that most of our senior management consists of English, Hungarian and Dutch people. I am sad to dissapoint you but this is not exactly an eastern europan breeze going through this company when it comes to the corporate side of it. There are plenty of things that could be significantly improved at wizzair, but let us stick to the facts please.


So if we are already going to discuss remuneration etc. How about we do it properly?

1) You get paid for duty, in your basic salary.
2) You get paid for sectors, with sector pay.
3) Your taxes and social contributions are paid, except on a contractor deal. Which is your own choice. With that choice come certain advantages and disadvantages, much like with the new entrant deal in EZY.

All of these are defined in your contract and as far as I have ever heard have been respected.

4) Your roster or whatever you perceive is your right to a roster, is not defined in your contract.
5) Your stafftravel or other concessionary travel, is not.
6) Any extra pay considering ground duty is not defined in your contract, as the company perceives that they are paying you a basic salary to do exactly those things. This includes SBY, AVLB, or ground courses whether in the office or whether you decide to do them at home via the internet.


So if we really get down to the nitty gritty here, then let's discuss this. Both local and contract pilots have not received a salary raise (apart from captains 1000 hours increment which is marginal in the first place) for something around 6 years. It may be 7 it may be 5, I do not know exactly. The point is, in all those years inflation has not been compensated. So in real purchasing power, todays captains earn much less relatively as they did in the past. First Officer salary has no increments at all, ergo, I am relatively earning much less as any of my colleagues which has started significantly before me. Although they have also seen their purchasing power eroded, especially in countries like PL, CZ, etc.


This is an actual issue that, if our management would actually look at it and care enough or have reason enough to fix it, many more people would be happy in this company and certainly would not see any reason to complain on here about getting extra pay for standby or available duties. Considering that we are the most hardworking, productive pilots and cabin-crew in europe, that are paid the least, this is a reasonable argument to make. The things that complicates the discussion is this: bear in mind that my colleagues from PL are really quite happy to be at home and in fact this is the best deal in their country as it is. This makes it exceptionally difficult to make a reasonable argument to the firm to pay all of us more. Capiche? So if we're going to discuss wages let's do it like men, stop crying and let's start talking about the issues that really matter. It's easy to sit somewhere from a distance and just shout something when you don't know the facts.


But maybe I'm just hoping for too much from our pilot 'fraternity'.

syntax; Many of the issues you mention are very commuter specific and even change per person. Despite not being polish, I choose not to be a commuter. I do not think it is worth it for me and this company has definitely shifted the focus from contractors to local pilots. It is a strategy that has been chosen and a reality contract pilots have to live with. The economy is as it is, and this company will not change anything that they are not forced to change by the laws of economics, or by the laws from Brussels.

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Old 31st Oct 2013, 14:23
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Dr Faust,

Very well put indeed.

The reality is this:

Wizz Air will not increase wages substantially for at least these reasons:

1) Not enough people actually leave when compared to the applicants in the system for jobs, and;

2) The wages are, in fact, market leading for those markets Wizz Air employ people in.

I've said it a hundred times before: Wizz offers opportunities for new pilots, co-pilots getting command, new commanders getting other jobs, experienced commanders getting into management or training..... the list goes on.

Once you've had enough of these, then leave. Or stay. The choice is yours.
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Old 6th Nov 2013, 05:06
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Narrow Runway:

2) The wages are, in fact, market leading for those markets Wizz Air employ people in.
Where exactly are the wages "market leading" ? I don't know a single flag carrier that pays less on a similar position (please don't compare ATR salary with Airbus salary)
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Old 6th Nov 2013, 06:04
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Don't compare with BA, LH, AF etc.

As I said " in the markets they employ people in".

Have you got access to Ukrainian, Polish, Bulgarian and Romanian salary scales and duty pay tables?

Still may not be good, but for locals "it is enough".
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Old 6th Nov 2013, 15:29
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Narrow Runway:


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2) The wages are, in fact, market leading for those markets Wizz Air employ people in.

Where exactly are the wages "market leading" ? I don't know a single flag carrier that pays less on a similar position (please don't compare ATR salary with Airbus salary)
Couldn´t agree more on the fact that the pay is crap. I did all their stuff for a DEC a couple of years ago and I never came across such a low pay afterwards on any Airbus gig (well maybe Vueling can top it these days). It is a waist of time unless you are out of a job. The market Wizz Air is serving is in my opinion Western and Eastern Europe. I wouldn´t say that the pay for a FO could give you a good quality of living in Warsaw. Once you have to support a family you really know how disappointing it is. I turned it down and I am still surprised how many experienced people keep coming and accept those conditions. On the other hand, it is a good alternative for some Eastern European countries but even there the cost of living is rising and the Wizz Air pay isn´t.
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Old 6th Nov 2013, 21:19
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Narrow Runway:

Have you got access to Ukrainian, Polish, Bulgarian and Romanian salary scales and duty pay tables?
Bulgaria: Bulgaria Air pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
Romania: Tarom pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
Ukraine: Aerosvit pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
Poland is not complete, only FO base pay - LOT Polish Airlines pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements.

So far 3 out of 4 pay better and they all have some extras - pension, paid leave, ZED tickets. If somebody knows the salary for LOT (jet Capt / FO) please share. For Hungary there is no flag carrier and not so many options for locals.

Wizz is a place to get a rating, build some hours, and move on, not really a career airline. There is a reason why they keep getting expats instead of hiring locals, those (jet rated) flying for a flag carrier would not join and the rest will jump ship when the said carriers start hiring.
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Old 7th Nov 2013, 15:40
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Dkz:

Bulgarian Air: PPJN info from 3 years ago. Base salary marginally higher, no duty pay, pension etc mentioned.

Tarom: Basic year 1 captain salary is almost same as Wizz. Sector/duty pay looks less than Wizz.

Aerosvit: Bankrupt. Many staff unpaid.

LOT: Who knows! We haven't any meaningful data.

All I can say is this: there are many happy locals (and quite a few expats too) in Wizz. That may be because they consider their deal to be market leading, or perhaps just enough. You'd need to ask a lot of people their viewpoint though....

And I agree. Once it doesn't suit, move on. I did and so have others, but that doesn't mean it's all bad.
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Old 12th Nov 2013, 14:27
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Ok chaps, needs must and all the rest of it.

I'm wondering if somebody could give me an honest run down of the figures and pay please? I'm sure it was covered in a previous post, but couldn't see it just then!

With the broadcasts coming out of the current employer, it's time to pull the pins and try to run away. And really, I want to know if I can afford to accept a job with Wizz whilst paying the mortgage and keeping Mrs Hobnob happy by funding her cushion habit.

Please feel free to PM me about it though and I'll get back to you as soon as possible!
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Old 13th Nov 2013, 21:39
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Ok, this is what I feared... The wood through the trees.

Realistically, I've got 3000 plus hours on a relatively useless turboprop in the the market, whereas an a320 rating paying the same as where I am now (£2200 after tax!) would cover a lot of bases for me.

Also, given redundancies in present employer, I want to know if I can afford this move bearing in mind the mortgage and other financial commitments.

We all know that no company is perfect, but Wizz could really tick a good few boxes for me, As an FO, if I can afford to make it work. And that's my main question really!

I don't want it to descend into an argument as we all know that a job is better than a redundancy.

A320 - I appreciate your figures, so thank you! What are the grounds for becoming an SFO?

Please feel free to PM me though - any advice is appreciated!
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 16:35
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Regarding tax: I pay only my Swiss tax and thats it. And I am not the only who is doing this and so far I had no problems with this.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 19:20
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Mike Lima

Yes, well I suppose if you are Swiss, then that is OK.

But, then again, the only Swiss guys I know of in Wizz Air aren't so straight.

Therefore, you're probably either crooked, or if your local taxman catches up with you. Or perhaps, and I think this is the case...you were joking!

Good luck.

Nice!!! I'm still chuckling.
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Old 13th Dec 2013, 22:51
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they don't care, they have a simulator with the added advantage that you are bonded. i wouldn't bother typerating myself to try to get in here because they simply don't need it (unless you have a rating -and- experience)

but that's just my guess.
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Old 16th Dec 2013, 13:59
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Anyone know when the next open day is?

No info given on Pilots other than that the last one was on 19 Nov.

Also, do you have to be invited to this "open" day? The site doesn't make it that clear. Or can you just rock up?
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Old 16th Dec 2013, 16:11
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So are they taking only pilots who make it to the open days now?

Applied through Storm back in August and got replies to send in more documents and fill the sheet, etc. Then never heard a word back so I followed up and was told that Wizz never got back to them and that they'll follow up and contact me if they get some news, which they never did. I was never told no, also. Which said would happen in case of an unsuccessful app.

I exceed all their minimum criteria and them some, and been applying for over 2 years now. Status of my app has not changed from "submitted for requistion" (whatever that means) for that duration.
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 06:02
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JOC!

Hey guys! I am currently looking for best and soonest option for JOC in Eastern Europe. So far I have found LOT for 1000€. If You have anything to suggest, please let me know!
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1000€ sounds like a great deal!
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Old 1st Aug 2016, 11:10
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So actually chose Sky4U as they have trainings every week, LOT offered only September. Price is 999+VAT, so 1209 total, adding tickets and hotel makes it roughly 400-800 € cheaper than Riga or Vilnius.
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Old 5th Aug 2016, 10:05
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Is there any Wizz Air pilot with residence in Germany? Please write me a PM I have some questions regarding tax regulations.
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