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Sorry but you're getting what you deserve for signing up with them in the first place.
How do you expect to be treated fairly when you show them you are "so easy", I mean you pay for your security pass, your uniform etc. they (the managment) must have some laugh at you guys when they continue to see you paying for everything like that!
However, on the strike front I'm in agreement with you.
Do the FR Capts. not give a s**t about how their collegues are treated?
It's a deplorable company in my opinion.
FRpilot and all like him may have felt forced into FR due to the lack of flying jobs but I would rather work in a shop to pay my way before selling myself like you have.
Now, because BRK contract FO's don't have a basic salary, and because they don't fly so much, they come fly SICK! to get the money! is that safe?
MOL doesn't worries to much about that, the B737-800 is dead easy to fly, and it flies much better in automatic mode than when a 200 hours pay to fly cadet tries to handfly. The captain is also there to fly this aircraft, after all if he doesn't do his job, he will be sent back to the right hand seat, or even better, at home
There are so many guys desesperate to fly a Boeing in Europe. This is a vicious circle, FOs accept shit contract, captains accept shit contract, and after a while they get bored to fly in a shit company
Don't worry, easyjet is going exactly the same way, they've just realised how economical is to hire pay to fly FOs. More and more companies are applying this method. This is the best period to quickly downgrade salaries and conditions, and it will never ever improve again.
Anyway, until there is no crash as a consequence of that, with at least 150 killed, things wont change. If you go on strike, those managers will kindly send you home.
Be happy, thanks to pilots like yourself, Ryanair is getting cheaper than the bus or train, and that's great for the passengers
Some of you Thatcherised Idiots need to wake up. Yeah its bad at FR whos to blame...who cares?? Now is the time for action. All pilots sticking together is more powerful than any management team on the planet. If everyone sticks together then they will have FR by the danglies!
All pilots need to wake up and stick together!. And NO the 737-8 does not fly itself!
Sorry but you're getting what you deserve for signing up with them in the first place.
Harsh but very true. I have no desire to ever work for Ryanair since their treatment of their staff is just comical. What made you join and now ask yourself if the reason for joining has been fulfilled?
I agree. What goes around comes around BUT, somehow i think that Ryanair was the only option for some pilots.
I remember a few years ago i declined a job offer of ryan because i really had a bad feeling about them. But on the other hand i can imagine if you have no other option, ryanair can be the solution.
Correct me if I'm wrong on this but doesn't Medical/Law school cost a substantial amount of money similar to that of a fATPL? I would guess Medical may cost much more that flight school even.
I'm aware that these professions require long long hours with little pay at the beginning.
However, does a newly qualified doctor have to pay extra cash (money on top of basic medical school) for additional training in order to perform his or her job?
A new hire for FR does. A 738 TR, which is essential (stating the obvious) to perform his/her job. A class one medical, also required for flight, a security pass, also required, travel to a particular airport to work...
Like getting a job in a supermarket and before starting work being asked to hand over cash for training of the computerized checkout system!
Can you tell me where the alternative is? I know guys here in Europe who cant find jos. Pilots who have left and would like to get back in and some who are returning. Why is that? Virgin have let 21 guys go, where will they get jobs? As always it is easy to have a go at Ryanair but they are creating jobs and i doubt you have an answer to where the alternative is.
The pilot group have not gone on strike to date and they wont. There are alot more pilots happy in FR and glad they stayed and still have jobs. Simple as that
How would an FR FO go on strike? Isn't it a self employed contract through BRK?
I would expect the FR money making machine would be delighted to recruit more 'cash heavy' cadets to replace those considering their options. MOL has long realised selling pilot seats is far more lucrative than flogging cheap flights to the GBP!
I can fully understand why any fatpl signs up, what other choice is there? What I can't understand is why anyone complains when the T n C's are exactly as advertised?
Ryanair hires unexperienced pilots because they are the only guys desesperate who want to pay to fly, Experienced pilots go to better airlines. yes cadets have the dream of doing 85 hours a month (6500euros a month with no social insurance, no loss of licence, no pension scheme, hotels, sim, medical, uniform to pay, type rating, and of course no tax paid , oleo strut man, you are based in france and you are not declaring, you should be paying 40%... be carefull with sarkozy, he doesnt like fiscal heavens).
Ryanair is a shit place to work because of you guys! you signed a shit contract with your trouser down, now it's too late. And now with the crisis I am sure MOL could replace you in a second with a new guy paid 4 times less than what you get.
Oleo Strut,
Take your 4000 Euro GROSS, do you have a social security? NO
How do you deal with that, what is the cost?
Do you have a pension? NO
same question
Even 85, wich is not the case currently, you have to pay for everything, and still have NO pension, NO social security..., NO loss of licence...
In fact NOTHING!
So! From 4000 euros, what do you have at the end?
I did sign, but I am fed up to see Ryanair making big money by cutting down our incomes.
Da ya think that 75.5 is going to stay like this in a next futur?
My opinion, is to fight now before loosing more money!
but if you are happy!!! well, I can't oblige you
No.... there is going to be no strike... no sick calls... not anyting. Do you want to know why? Because there are more pussys than pussys to go around.
Wondering about the term "pussys than pussys"? Go figure it out. Damn... what a bunch of whining pussys.
No one has the balls to take action. Lets forget this thread and close it out.
What a load of crap!!!
Ryanair= best roster in the industry, always home at night, if you need to travel from base to base its free, if you have to fly out of your base you get money to cover hotels and best of all you get fantastic money!
Thank you.
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