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There is a scope clause which prevents DLH principally to crew LHI outside of existing contracts.
The rush is about power politics.
DLH management want to get this done as quick as possible. They only have the courage to do this because the union is currently weak due to internal frictions.
As it looks like now the union is getting its act together and a more hardliner-like team is expected to become the new union leaders. So in about 2 months from now the honeymoon for DLH management will be over. Therefore the rush.
If it would be that easy.
LH has about 200-300 pilots in overhang, so it would be sensless to hire pilots, and to join LH you have to speak german, thats an requirement, for ALL LH pilots.
So you see, its not that easy.
We will see what will happen, if they are able to hire pilots for LHITA, very good.
If not, some (italian) pilots might learn it the bitter way.
It would not be the first time, that selected pilots could not be hired due to LH union regulations.
BTW: you are right, most italian companies pay better than LH.
I have absolutly no concerns, I am actualy waiting that they take non LH pilots.
And of course its a political reason, we both know what is going on in Italy at the moment.
A lot of pilots are waiting for LHITA because many will lose their job in the next month due to this kind of political agreement, so LHITA would be a chance.
BMI is like Swiss, SN, etc an other story, because they are not flying in LH colours with LH flight numbers, that is the point on the whole thing.
If they give the routes to the new LHITA, with a LHITA colour (different from LH) and the call sign is not LH, than it would be easier.
Its is clear that the LH managment want to recruit staff for LHITA, but it will be a difficult way for them when it comes to the cockpit crew.
Just to remember, pilots coming from LH school have to wait 5-6 month to start flying, no comand courses, so hireing people from outside is not something the union appreciates very much, which is understandable, we wouldnt be pleased if this would happen in our company.
Not sure about this, games are already done at alitalia no more pilots will be laid off, those who were laid off will continue to get benefits from the state, which in some cases means they do nothing and get as much as what they would earn flying 70 hours per month for most of the other italian airlines, so not all of them will be interested in a new job.
not talking about AZ guys, people lost their jobs and will lose their jobs so AZ guys can keep theirs.
You might know that around 60 AP pilots have to give their seat to AZ pilots who are in "cassa integrazione"
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When easyjet based their aircraft in germany the hired many german pilots who were just laid off from a german bankrupt airline. What would have german people said if easyjet had prevented german pilots from working for them,...
That is correct, but its a bit a same thing and a bit different.
Its the same thing, because easy hired pilots according to their requirements. The same for all pilots, english, german, italian, etc. Same in LH everyone can apply, its just that you have to speak german, there are italian, spanish dutch and belgian pilots in LH. Its just that everyone speaks english, so everyone can apply to easyjet. And that the difference.
Instead of moaning about how awfully reluctant Lufthansa mainline pilots are to getting screwed over again and again, we should really ask ourselves why all majors still use the anachronistic practice to mandate fluency in any other language than English. Ridiculous if you ask me and would definitely open up the job market to a much wider community. The present situation really defies the whole reason behind a common JAA license.
1. What are the new recruits being told about their career progression? Is the expectation that they (the Italian joiners) will be flying only for LH IT for their careers or are they told they could eventually join mainline LH?
2. For those who are successful, what is their experience? Type rating? From which airlines - Air Dolomiti, Air One, AZ?
3. Since the flights are relatively short out of MXP, how many sectors likely per day? How many days flying per week and month?
Thanks EAM. I would think German-speaking Italians would be motivated to apply in that case... Certainly a motivator to at least learn Deutsch while you are there if you don't know it already.
Another question - are there current LH mainline FOs who will bid MXP to fly for LH IT? Perhaps some of the underutilized LH Cargo pilots will bid it...
U will never fly LH planes, only LHITA, and the base will be MXP.
Hired pilots will have another career, different from the LH ones.
The DLR screening is in English, U don't need to know or learn German.
The first dates for GU are 14,15,20 april.
They called mostly AZ, AP and other italian RATED pilots, giving them only 12/10 days time between invitation letter and test.
That's not enought time to get prepared for GU at DLR!!!!
CRAZY...10 days only!
learning another language - interesting, possible and fun
DLR GU - is a lottery ...... There is a test - 9 watches clock test that the DLR uses (approx 1,5 sec exposure for the clocks) - possible to practise on 'skytest' cd - no matter how much one prepares, the result for this test will be random i.e. DLR GU is a lottery - fact - and you're allowed one chance for life. To all those going for it - just be aware it has an extremely high failure rate - dont rest any hopes on it, treat it as a lottery because thats what the selection is to the enter the gates of the fine LH Club.
10 days is enough to prepare using 'skytest cd' - (dont waist money on preparation cousres - they add no extra value ).
Of course DLR can change the tests i.e. greater exposure time - exclude that particular test, etc to give better chance, who knows......
Only if you pass the full DLR Test for LH incl. the german language
This is completely false my friend,i've been invited to attend the screening.
i'll be in hamburg the day after tomorrow,and when i asked the man who i talked to if i would need to talk german,he said that official language for this screening and for lufthansa italia will be the english one.
the test will be in english,and german is not a requirement at the moment,many pilots who are now in "cassa integrazione" because they were laid off by alitalia,have been called to attend the screening on 15th and 21th april
I don't have much to add regarding the Lufty Italia side of things but as far as BMI is concerned Lufty are not the full owners yet that many of you seem to think.The deal was delayed from Jan to Feb, then again to April and now to May or June at the earliest! There are many factors causing this but certain irregularities may yet crush the deal. Even when/if it goes through SAS will still own 20% so it is difficult to compare to the LHitalia and Austrian scenarios. Good luck to all in these times
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