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maybe somebody knows some more informations about:
what are the requirements?
who was invited? (airline, cpt, fo)
how many needed?
where and how to apply?
any rumors about t & c?
interview held by lh personal?
so you better find out the right thread to avoid to be OT
Whats your problem mate???
The question by Iver was:
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Is the expectation that they (the Italian joiners) will be flying only for LH IT for their careers or are they told they could eventually join mainline LH?
and the answer is:
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Only if you pass the full DLR Test for LH incl. the german language
Somethimes its a good idea to read and to use its brain in flying and in the forum.
recruitment is going on..
italian language is a requirement for the final interview.
actually no one has passed to the second phase yet as first DLR responses will be given not earlier than 2 weeks..
If they were to make LHI entry tests exactly the same as DLH tests they would be creating another body of semi KTV-pilots ,who would therefore want the exact same T's and C's as their German counterparts.
That would make the entire LHI-scheme too expensive for managment thus rendering it utterly useless.
What DLH-management want is DLH quality but for a bargain price with no complaining from personnel wanting a decent roster , vacation , sick-leave and all that nonsense.
No hassle, no union-activity.Fly the plane and be happy we gave you a job.
Unfortunately , Italy is full of people who will tolerate this.
Whilst LH itself is recruiting newbies from their own Flight academy on parttime contracts , just to be able to employ them at mainline!
It's just a perfect opportunity for management to give our union the finger and get around our collective labour agreement.
They'll be very very sorry.
Its not compleatly wrong, because a lot of italian pilots will be without a job within the next 3-4 month and it will be difficult to find something else in italy.
But one thing is wrong, LHITA does not pay low salaries, due to the lower tax in italy, they probably get a better salary than a new entry in LH.
@ee51, no italian airline will lay off pilots in the next month, right, but about 40+ pilots in AP have a contract that will expire within the next 4 month and it will not be renewed. These are no fake news, this is the reality.
Conditions in italy are much better in italy than in germany, worked for both, know what I am talking about.
Fluent in English and Italian (written and spoken)
Good vision: +/- 3 Dioptres
EU-Citizenship or Italian permanent residency permit. Please note that when it comes to free movement of workers the following countries are still not considered as part of the EU: Romania, Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland
there is an age limit imposed both on F/O and CPT positions which is against EU regulations and against german legislation.
LH has been doing this for decades and they are arrogant enough to continue this practice. Who is responsible for this? The union? The management? You will encounter difficulties finding out.
This has been the only job offer (apart from the odd 60 rule) that I've seen where a max. age of 45 is required for captains. This is outrageous, to say the least.
Surprisingly this doesn't seem to be much of a concern for most german guys - and I have no reason to believe that german law is not applicable in this case - because in that country everybody who is working outside LH is only working for him/herself.
Not really, people went against the age limit of LH about 2 years ago and they dropped it from CAs, but I am surprised that they still have it for pilots.
The problem with LHITA is, that it does not affect many germans, as you have to be fluent in italian, so it would be on the italians, to go against it, as LHITA will be an italian company.
Anyway, the would still be an unofficial age limit and they have other problems at the moment.
Today is another pilots meeting and the LH pilots are going to fight against the recruitment of LHITA.
LH instructors already refused to train pilots for LHITA.
LH instructors already refused to train pilots for LHITA
well apparently they have failed pilots at sim assessments with no reason.
This is extremely unfair as sim assessment for LH can be taken only once in your life. If the union was not happy with LH hiring new pilots for LH italia they should have publicly said so or may be they should have done a recruitment ban or spread the voice in some way. Then pilots would have been adviced and could have waited till an agreement was found instead of wasting the only chance they had to join LH with a biased sim assessment! Exremely unprofessional
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they have turned down pilots at sim assessments with no reason.
exactly, thats why I will postpone my Sim, I dont want to be a victime of their war.
If they fight for their jobs, thats Ok, but if they take away chances of others, which can not be done again, its more than unfair.
It is Ok if they manage it, that LHITA can not hire pilots, but it is not Ok if they fail good pilots just because they dont want anyone to pass.
I am sorry to say that, but (most) LH pilots just care about themself.
It is Ok if they manage it, that LHITA can not hire pilots, but it is not Ok if they fail good pilots just because they dont want anyone to pass.
this is what i told you few days ago, i told you that the failure rate was too much high and so i thought they don't really want to hire non german pilots
Guys, don't loose your time and money with this political-syndical joke...
PS: 75% of applicants were from Alitalia. Does it mean that all these very experienced pilots were not able to cope with the "Major airline pilot duties"? I DON'T THINK SO. Some people in LH should learn what "RESPECT" means.
To get information you can get directly to the site, its very easyto acces...
I think some guys get confused with the LH structure, on the one hand there is LH the holding, that embraces many companies in different areas and on the other there is LH-passage (the LH airline itself). LHI will belong to the first one. The holding will do its best to use its own resources and optimize its synergy. Think of LHI like City Line, although it uses LH colours and callsign it is another company. In areas like sales bookings, marketing, etc, the customer should have the impression it is all the same... about the age limit, I think its fair they expose the profile they are looking for, unlike other companies you dont see any restrictions, get hopes but will most certainly never get hired... My opinion is that LH might be one of the best companies right now in Europe, but not nescessarily the best employer. And isnt it about time Unions stop thinking locally and start acting global?
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